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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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almarst2002 - 12:06pm Feb 9, 2003 EST (# 8749 of 8755)

Belgium says it will block any NATO preparatory action to protect Turkey in case of war on Iraq. - http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,3367,1429_W_775097,00.html

almarst2002 - 12:13pm Feb 9, 2003 EST (# 8750 of 8755)

"After much searching and scratching "

The more advance primates do this for each other. This is much more convenient and effective. I am sure you missed some hard-to-reach locations, didn't you?;)

bbbuck - 12:32pm Feb 9, 2003 EST (# 8751 of 8755)

Don't break your streak brother. I'll let that low level taunt slide. It's too early in the morning. Is the world still here?

rshow55 - 01:16pm Feb 9, 2003 EST (# 8752 of 8755)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

bbuck 8748 dismisses two excellent posters, almarst and lunarchick - with statements that just aren't true. That isn't hard to see for yourself.

182 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@168.fZ5WarDOWt8^1778964@.f28e622/216 from March 3, 2002 included two long sentences that still seem right now.:

. If the United States could, and would, explain its national interest -- distinct from the interests of its military-industrial complex, and explain how its interests fit in the interconnected world we live in -- and do it honestly, and in ways that other nations could check, it could satisfy every reasonable security need it has, without unreasonable or unacceptably unpopular uses of force.

. The rest of the world, collectively, and in detail, would try hard to accomodate US needs, if it understood them, and could reasonably believe and respect them.

Thereafter, I collected some very important, perceptive questions raised by almarst , just in the few weeks before that time. There have been many perceptive postings - as well as excellent links since then.

183 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@168.fZ5WarDOWt8^1778964@.f28e622/217

184 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@168.fZ5WarDOWt8^1778964@.f28e622/218

185 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@168.fZ5WarDOWt8^1778964@.f28e622/219

186 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@168.fZ5WarDOWt8^1778964@.f28e622/220

As for the idea that lunarchick doesn't post perceptively (and even perceptively about primates ) -- here are links from a July 4th of 2001 discussion about Koko - the linguistically gifted gorilla, and things that even a monkey should be able to see. (It starts with references from the same http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/ that bbuck links).

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6557.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6567.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6577.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6586.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6596.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6606.htm

I've often thought that almost anybody careful could see the arguments on missile defense referenced to 84 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@168.fZ5WarDOWt8^1778964@.f28e622/99 - - but perhaps these arguments are hard, in the face of what Rev. Forbes refers to as "deeper motivations" http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/09/weekinreview/09GOOD.html

almarst2002 - 01:45pm Feb 9, 2003 EST (# 8753 of 8755)

"If there is an axis of evil, that obviously places him in the axis of good, and also means that anyone who disagrees with the policies he is advocating is placed on the other side." - http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/09/weekinreview/09GOOD.html

This is the ESSENCE of FASCIZM.

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