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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 03:42am Oct 7, 2003 EST (# 14504 of 14505)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

13105-6 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.HVcibrjAL23.922198@.f28e622/14784 includes this

Gisterme , I didn't come to the conclusion that you were Bush quickly - and maybe I jumped to an incorrect conclusion. My early judgements were more guarded, and they were repeated. They were expressed as follows, in language that included deputy national security advisor Hadley.

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md7000s/md7009_7011.htm includes this:

I've suggested in MD6808 rshowalter 7/9/01 4:43pm. http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6808.htm

. . that gisterme , who has posted so extensively on this thread, could not have done so, without the knowledge and backing of the very highest levels of the Bush administration, including Rice , Rumsfeld , Armitage , Wolfowitz , Hadley , and their bosses.

In postings in this thread gisterme has often taken the position of an officer of state - with a treatening degree of power not far from reach.

For example. I asked a question -- and the issue involved was whether I was committing treason -- a serious issue. MD6024 rshowalter 6/25/01 4:52pm ... http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6020.htm It is a good question -- and short -- I asked: "What have I said that is not in the national interest?" I still think that's a good question -- and I believe I've been serving the national interest to high standards.

gisterme replied to the question directly in these posting, and doing so conceded that issues of technical feasibility and probablility of projects, based on the open literature, can be discussed in the United States.

MD6028 gisterme 6/25/01 6:58pm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6028.htm ... MD6033 gisterme 6/25/01 7:45pm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6031.htm MD6060 gisterme 6/26/01 3:13pm http://www.mrshowalter.net/../a_md6000s/md6059.htm

That concession is important -- because the administration is advocating programs that are far fetched to the point where thoughts of fraud are hard to escape.

If gisterme does not have high government connections -- and is not speaking with authority --- gisterme has often written to convey a sense that those connections exist.

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I thought then, and think now, that if Hadley knows anything important, and politically sensitive, Bush knows it, too in all the ways that ought to matter in terms of leadership responsibility.

Here are other links that cite deputy Hadley.

Here are other links that cite deputy Hadley.

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6460.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6624.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6666.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6765.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6789.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6808.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6826.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6860.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6926.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md7000s/md7009_7011.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md7000s/md7375.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md8000s/md8408.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md8000s/md8662.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md01000s/md1773.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md11000s/md11582.htm

4510 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.HVcibrjAL23.922198@.f28e622/5700

5330 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.HVcibrjAL23.922198@.f28e622/6685

8426 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.HVcibrjAL23.922198@.f28e622/9952

8430 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.HVcibrjAL23.922198@.f28e622/9956

I thought then, and think now, that Bush and his top people, definitely including Hadley, are responsible for right answers.

If Hadley got the communication from Tenet that he now says, and didn't convey the substance of that communication to Rice - that's an outrage.

White House Official Apologizes for Role in Uranium Claim By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS http://www.nyt/

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