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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 08:13pm Oct 15, 2002 EST (# 4917 of 17697)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

commondata 10/15/02 7:01pm

"Follow the trail of blood you've left back through the recent past in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Honduras, Chile ...

Plenty of blood - but actions that look different to me - depending on whether they happened before the fall of the USSR, or afterwards.

Where do we go from here?

How do we stop shedding so much innocent blood - and do so in ways that can actually work.

A big question, to me, is how do we satisfy Eurpean questions, and Russian questions - - as well as questions from the Islamic world?

What means justify what ends now?

. . .

One concern involves the falsification of data. I've been much concerned with checking - and that is a subject treated carefully in today's Science Times section - which includes these articles:

On Scientific Fakery and the Systems to Catch It By KENNETH CHANG http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/15/science/15FRAU.html?8isc

At Lawrence Berkeley, Physicists Say a Colleague Took Them for a Ride By George Johnson http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/15/science/physical/15ELEM.html

There is also a fine interactive Feature: Painting the Mice

. . . The Guardian Thread Psychwarfare, Casablanca . . . and terror http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/281 is data - it is a record - and it has been altered today. I'm supposed to be the only person who can delete my own posts - and this posting was deleted - for reasons that I think may be significant. (I wouldn't have thought to delete the posting #219 - July 25, 2001 - but can see why some people might want to.) Because of the deletion - the posting bears repeating here - with the references it cites. Somebody cares about this posting, and cares a good deal, or they would not have been deleted. :

rshow55 - 08:15pm Oct 15, 2002 EST (# 4918 of 17697)
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Deleted from Psychwarfare, Casablanca . . . and terror:

rshowalter - 05:05pm Jul 25, 2001 GMT (#219

There have been 262 postings on The New York Times -- Science -- Missile Defense thread since July 18th, and I believe that things have gone well - and hopefully.

Dawn and I have worked hard.

Postings that may interest some of you start with this:

" I've often thought, writing on these forums, about whether I've been keeping faith with Bill Casey -- doing things that, on balance, he would have thought reasonable, and right . . .

and includes this:

" (Dawn and I) were especially interested in dialog with almarst after we read "Muddle in Moscow" http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=533129 ..... ... When we read that story, we imagined that we really were dealing with a powerful man who had taken time, with a staff, to do some listening."

MD7385 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@13.qCcEbryuYiH.1098394@.f0ce57b/8167

MD7386 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@13.qCcEbryuYiH.1098394@.f0ce57b/8168

MD7388 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@13.qCcEbryuYiH.1098394@.f0ce57b/8170

MD7389 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@13.qCcEbryuYiH.1098394@.f0ce57b/8171

MD7390 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@13.qCcEbryuYiH.1098394@.f0ce57b/8172

Minds are opening to the possiblility that the US may be fallible. Outside the US, and in America, as well. I take that as a good sign, for the sake of the world, and the United States itself. . . . . . Pollution deal leaves US cold by Charles Clover in Bonn http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/07/24/wkyot24.xml

" Margot Wallstrom, the European environment commissioner, said: "We can go home and look our children in the eyes. Something has changed in the balance of power between the United States and the EU."

Perhaps a time is coming where it will be possible to get some key things checked.

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