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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 08:23am Sep 28, 2002 EST (# 4615 of 17697)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

I think Condoleeza Rice might make a very interesting Vice Presidential candidate - and might make a good president.

She has many things right. And other things wrong.

Even Rice has some logical limits - limits that can make for really terrible human decisions now much discussed by scientists.

When anything but the simplest situation involves falsity the number of possible scenarios quickly becomes too great to hold in working memory. So, Johnson-Laird claims, we ditch the falsity and hope for the best. http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/316

With the web, and staff work, people can overcome these limitations, though it takes work.

Her university background would be very useful - but university values and politics have some limitations, as well as some strengths.

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/350

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/354

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/355 includes this:

"Many of the problems Kay describes are characteristics of colleges and universities everywhere. An excellent perspective on these same problems is set out, with much statistical treatment, and many case studies, in

LEADERSHIP AND AMBIGUITY: The American College President by Michael D.Cohen and James G. March Harvard Business School Press

Their last chapter has an eloquent title and subheadings:

Leadership in an Oranized Anarchy
.........The ambiguities of anarchy
......Leader response to anarchy
......The elementary tactics of administrative action
.....The technology of foolishness.

  • ***************

    "If crisp right answers on a matter of conflict are necessary for morally compelling reasons, universities, admirable in many other ways, may be totally unable to respond. At their worst, they may show totally irresponsible and anti-moral behavior. Somewhat similar things may be said about the invisible colleges.

    If Rice is gisterme , as I sometimes suspect - (and others might suspect, too, if they search gisterme , this thread) - - there's a lot to be said in favor of her - as a rational actor, with moral motivations.

    Plus some big problems.

    If some things were fought out, in public - the good things and right points that the Republicans have could be preserved, focused, and clarified - at the same time that the enronation could be set out, put in context, and dealt with.

    http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7726f/371

    (links from Paradigm Shift .... whose getting there? on the Guardian Talk boards.

    lchic - 08:24am Sep 28, 2002 EST (# 4616 of 17697)
    ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

    OK a woman president - for engineers then

    """I hope to leverage this unique opportunity for the benefit of all engineers and scientists," said Bryant, who details more of her thoughts about becoming president following this release. "This includes the women and minorities who are beginning to more visibly contribute to the creative processes that develop products and services, resulting in a higher quality of life for us all. I learned long ago that women help women the most when we take our profession and careers seriously."

    http://www.ieeeusa.org/releases/2001/113001pr.html

    lchic - 08:33am Sep 28, 2002 EST (# 4617 of 17697)
    ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

    If Rice and Bryant got together to 'engineer' a way out of the cold war ... change delivery of Nukes into delivery of Maslow Basics with education ----- there is a thought ----- would they make a great team, I wonder ?

    rshow55 - 08:35am Sep 28, 2002 EST (# 4618 of 17697)
    Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

    It'd be fun if IEEE could organize an "ad hoc committee for the arrest, conviction, and crucifixion of M. Robert Showalter" - - taking me to task for "errors" in things I've said about missile defense - and perhaps guidance and stability issues, too.

    Even more fun if such a "committee" could be organized at a place with real independence, and some feistiness (say Stanford, or MIT.)

    Some interesting things might become clarified - in ways entertaining, and in the national interest.

    As Kipling said

    "the female of the species . . . is more dangerous than the male."

    Fun, but a little chilling, to think about how a female IEEE president might take me apart!

    3179 rshowalt 7/20/02 8:32pm

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