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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 06:16am Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14000 of 17697)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

How many people actually know

. How to agree to disagree clearly, without fighting, comfortably, so that they can cooperate stably, safely, and productively.

Anybody?

Could there be technical and logical problems involved?

Sure looks that way to me.

When fights happen - I'm not a bit sure that people are all that clear, specifically, about why they are fighting.

lchic - 06:19am Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14001 of 17697)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

Some posters even 'bicker' here, on this board.

lchic - 06:32am Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14002 of 17697)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

Were an historical figure of yore

To emerge today

To check out culture (including MD culture)

To compare the 'Then' with the 'Now'

Would they be surprised by 'Advancement' or the lack of it ?

rshow55 - 06:49am Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14003 of 17697)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

With good staffing - the most interesting answer would be both .

We've worked through some necessary conditions to prosperity and international cooperation.

We're still missing just a few.

Cantabb made a telling point in 13964

. Cantabb: "Peace making" reuires much more than wishful thinking.

And indeed it does ! But there are necessary conditions to stable peacemaking - and it they are not known - stable, humanly workable peacemaking is strictly impossible. Here are necessary conditions - and I'm not claiming they are new - but only that they are necessary conditions that people don't know - and don't want to see.

For stable end games - people and groups have to be workably clear on these key questions.

How do they disagree (agree) about logical structure ?

How do they disagree (agree) about facts ?

How do they disagree (agree) about questions of how much different things matter ?

How do they differ in their team identifications ?

Odds are good that if the patterns of agreement (or disagreement) are STABLE and KNOWN they can be decently accomodated.

Even a child should know the things above - and kids could be taught them. Adults need to know them, too.

Most people, including most leaders - do not know this - Nash didn't know this result. It is a result both Eisenhowers wanted desperately:

. Odds are good that if the patterns of agreement (or disagreement) are STABLE and KNOWN they can be decently accomodated.

Is the statement "diffuse" ? In the sense that logically incremental leadership is diffuse, it is. But it is necessary for people to learn this - if peace making is ever to be stable.

rshow55 - 06:54am Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14004 of 17697)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Usages that many people cherish make it strictly impossible to get the answers above.

That needs changing - in places where the answers are needed. ( That wouldn't change all that much discourse - it would require some exception handling.)

In situations where complex cooperation doesn't work (and remembering that now, complex cooperation often works just fine) - we need usages that can answer those questions.

Those usages "go round and round" checking for internal and external consistency - and converge - and must converge on what I've been calling "oscillatory solutions" .

Solutions that the world has been full of for millinea. We need to construct better, more stable ones, in spots where it matters enought to do the work to do so.

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