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From:  m. Robert Showalter <mrshowalter@thedawn.com>
Reply-To:  mrshowalter@thedawn.com
To:  rich@nytimes.com
Subject:  Fwd: A.E.A. information you requested
Date:  Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:05:10 -0700
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Hope you don't mind my sending you this.  Your OpEd piece today was 
MASTERFUL !


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From:  m. Robert Showalter <mrshowalter@thedawn.com>
Reply-To:  mrshowalter@thedawn.com
To:  diane.l.eyler@db.com
Subject:  A.E.A. information you requested
Date:  Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:45:39 -0700
 
Ms. Diane Eyler
Deutshe Bank Securities
375 West Padonia Rd.
Timonium, Md.  21093

Dear Ms. Eyler:

        You asked for something in writing on the AEA bankrupcy, for 
your file, to justify not re-registering some AEA securities.      I'm 
providing what I can lay my hands on quickly for that purpose - and 
providing direction so you may pursue the matter further if you wish.

     These are jpg images.

I believe that Patricia Gibeault is still in practice in Madison.     
There is a longer document, not sent, that I can forward to you, or Mr. 
XXXXXXXX, on request.  It is titled "A Short Review of the Failure of 
Automotive Engine Associates and the Prospects for Success of Anatech 
Inc." dated January 20, 1987.   Anatech did not proceed, partly on the 
basis of that report.   The AEA patents have now expired, or are nearing
 the end of their lives.  

         I wish those old AEA securities were worth a great deal - and 
if it were in my power, they would be.   But I can't see any reason at 
all to re-register them, or value those pieces of paper at anything 
above 0.   If I can find a way of giving past AEA investors a return, 
which I've sometimes hoped to do, details like registration won't matter.
   I believe that details of who bought what, when, and for what 
interest can be reconstructed if a time for recompense ever comes.  As a
 record keeper - I'd put the AEA records in a "dead" file, and judge 
them worthless.   
   

         If you made the call to me, directly or indirectly, at the 
request of Mr. X.X. XXXXXXXXX, you might have other interests, or someone
 you send this to might have other interests.    

Here are entries I've made on the New York Times - Science - Missile 
Defense discussion board: 
MD2116 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/2621   

	"AEA was an effort to make specific breakthroughs in automotive design,
 which were made; to greatly extend the culture's ability to apply and 
fit mathematical analysis to complex engineering tasks; to demonstrate a
 new engineering business structure generalizing Lockheed's "skunk works";
 and was a test bed that the government and I hoped would let me find 
the "hidden problem" in applied mathematics that seemed crucial in 
missile guidance and much else. There's more to say, and I'll be more 
explicit. A great deal about AEA can be checked, in detail - and I'll 
open any and all records, and explain the situation as best I can - 
according to patterns set out in 
MD1152 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/1468

MD2104 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/2608  includes 
this: 

I was involved in the academic-military equivalent of an "extreme sports"
 stunt -- and it has been more complicated - in part because it has 
involved a mix of security problems, and paradigm conflict problems . . 
. . 

It has been, for me, the most fascinating nightmare imaginable. 

And taunting, because, in so many ways hope - intoxicating hope - has 
seemed so close. 

Here's a statement that may seem strange to you, manjumicha , but that 
seems central to me. 

Before AEA blew, in the early 1980's you could say, and I would have 
said, that we were very close to a triumph for almost everybody 
concerned, and for America -- a triumph for the military, for high 
officers like Casey, and even a triumph for humane values . . . for all 
the ugliness the Cold War involved. We were doing something new, 
something important, and it was working - - and Steve Kline had good 
reasons to take half time leave from his Stanford Professorship - 
against passionate opposition - to work on the project. A lot of people 
had reason to be proud - - - of themselves, and of America. 

Then Casey "pulled a plug" -- for reasons that made operational sense at
 the time. 

Then something unexpected happened - - I broke. Badly. For a while, 
actually lost the ability to read. 

That was more than 15 years ago, and I've done a good deal of work since.
 

There are few things more disastrous than a "tight" complicated sequence,
 with all sorts of things calculated to a "knats's eyelash" - that falls
 apart. 

But the "putting it back together" has been rough, but fascinating. 

MD1152 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/1468

http://www.wisc.edu/rshowalt/klinerec 

If I can get a workable way to proceed (and, so far as the security 
situation goes, a workable fiction would do) I believe that there's a 
lot to hope for. 


MD2101 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/2605
includes this: 

MD1077 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/1370

"Some of my background, which you also know, was on this thread before 
March 2, and is now set out on a Guardian thread .. Psychwarfare, 
Casablanca -- and terror 

. 273-277 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee7a163/289  (enclosed) 

278-279 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/294   (enclosed)

"I believe that I'm doing, as nearly as it possibly can be done, exactly
 what Bill Casey would want me to do now, for the good of the United 
States of America, and for the safety and decency of the world." Is 
there deception here? One would have to check. 

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee7a163/289 cites a posting 
previously on this (NYT--MD thread) that starts: 

rshowalter - 07:22am Jun 26, 2001 EST (#6057 of 7079) Robert Showalter 
mrshowalter@thedawn.com 

"I say here that I knew Bill Casey a little. 

"And of course, everything's deniable - I'm not sure anybody has any 
records at all. Maybe I'm a literary figure -- call me Ishmael. 

"The story I like best about me, in this regard, is that I'm just a guy 
who got interested in logic, and military issues. A guy who got 
concerned about nuclear danger, and related military balances, and tried
 to do something about it. Based on what he knew - with no access to 
special information of any kind, he made an effort to keep the world 
from blowing up, using the best literary devices he could fashion, 
consistent with what he knew or could guess. 

"Let me go on with another story." 
How much simpler my life would be, if I could proceed in confidence that
 people believed "the story I like best" -- fictions and all. 

Maybe, after actually asking questions of the government, that will be 
possible. 

If the government can't find records involving me and classified 
research -- hasn't and won't pay for the work - - and denies they were 
ever involved with me -- then perhaps I can own my past, unencumbered, 
and more into the future. 

Or, if there are encumberances, those encumberances can be defined. 


* * * * * * * * 

I have sent a fax to Mr. XXXXXXXXX, at CIA, and the text of that fax, 
with his name deleted, an the name of an officer at the University of 
Wisconsin deleted, is set out, with some references attached, in 

MD2473 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3091
MD2474 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3093
MD2475 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3094
MD2476 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3095
MD2477 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3096


I am terribly sorry that AEA failed, and lost everything I owned when it
 did.   


Sincerely yours,


M. Robert Showalter
608-829-3657

 
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rshow55 - 09:23pm Jun 6, 2002 EST (#2473 of 2477) Delete Message

Mr. XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXX, C.I.A.

Dear Mr. XXXXXXX,

Thank you for taking my call Monday. I'm sending you this by fax; sending an e-mail copy of the text to you over the open CIA email line, and posting the text, with names and positions deleted, on the New York Times - Science - Missile Defense forum ---- where citation links set out here can be accessed with the click of a mouse. I'm also sending a copy to XXXXXXXXXXXXX of the University of Wisconsin. In a meeting with XXXXXXXXXX on May20th, we discussed the following question - - a question that has been a cause of difficulties for me, and for the University of Wisconsin in its interactions with me, for some time.

Could things be arranged so that I could talk to ______, or some other professional, on technical matters, in a way so that I had reasonable confidence, and _________ had reasonable confidence, that, whatever other problems we might have, our conversation did not violate US national security laws? MD2327 rshow55 5/20/02 5:43pm

I'm asking to have a chance to "debrief" -- to explain to the government information that I believe may be of interest, along with some background involving that information. I know I won't necessarily be believed without checking, and don't expect to be. I understand that both your time, and government investigation resources in general, are limited, and other priorities are pressing. I'm prepared to look for ways to "debrief" that involve minimum time and expense to the government, and would like to discuss them. I do want to convey the information on a basis where it is clear and a matter of record that the information has been transmitted to a responsible person in the government. Perhaps the information is not of enough interest for the government to attend to. You know your priorities and usages, and I do not. Whatever you choose to do in that regard, it seems to me that if the government wishes to restrict any product of my mind in any way based on national security law - government officers should talk to me about what the restrictions are. XXXXXXXXXXXX has my permission to tell you anything he knows about me, including the contents of our meetings.

I wish my May 20th meeting with XXXXXXXXXXXX had been recorded, because it covered, perhaps in a more direct way than a letter can, the key reasons I'm asking to get my security problem adressed, in the context as it is. Perhaps a similar meeting with XXXXXXXXXXXXX, or some other trusted person or persons, that was recorded and submitted to your agency, could generate enough information to resolve the problems I have with the government that need to be resolved now. This might be especially reasonable if it is decided that there are no security law restrictions on my work, either because my contacts are now old, or for any other reason.

I'm off to a Cornell reunion. I'll try to call you by phone early next week, and will check in with XXXXXXXXXX about the same time.

Mr XXXXXXX, I hadn't known that you were at CIA until last week. Had I known, I would have contacted you long ago.

Sincerely yours,

M. Robert Showalter 608-829-3657
mrshowalter@thedawn.com

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