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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 09:34pm Feb 17, 2003 EST (# 9056 of 9064)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

From the American perspective, and also from the perspective of other nations that hope for international order, and international law, some key things may be going very well. If people take reasonable care, and show some courage.

Here's a problem summary from Wizard's Chess http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/05/opinion/05SUN1.html

. Washington must simultaneously cope with three separate and potentially grave threats — from Iraq, from North Korea and from the threat of reconstituted international terrorist networks.

Those are all real, valid reasons for concern. How are current developments inconsistent with full satisfaction of these concerns?

If the international community, including the Vatican and Islamic organizations, can assist in the resolution of these threats - that might be done in ways that also meet the most basic needs of the Islamic world, of NATO, and of both the North and South Koreans.

That is, if people are rational. If we remember that the Cold War should be over - and that old fears about Messianic communism should be set aside. Neither N. Korea nor Cuba are significant ideological threats - and we don't have to destroy them as if they were threats. They are vestiges.

If only people are rational . . .

There are signs that some people are .

People are upset - but they are also working - and taking responsibility for their own interests. The more that happens - the less the US needs to function as a hegemon.

Almarst , if you look at the amount of effort gisterme has put on this thread - and you assume, as I do, that gisterme has some connections to the Bush administration -- well, you may not like everything gisterme says (and I know I don't) - but gisterme is trying to solve some problems, too.

8111 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.IEuvacxh3bG.1213446@.f28e622/10337

8819 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.IEuvacxh3bG.1213446@.f28e622/10345

8830 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.IEuvacxh3bG.1213446@.f28e622/10356

8874 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.IEuvacxh3bG.1213446@.f28e622/10400

8895 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.IEuvacxh3bG.1213446@.f28e622/10421

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/407

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/408

fredmoore - 09:42pm Feb 17, 2003 EST (# 9057 of 9064)

Mazza ....

Thanks. I just have to top that off by saying though, that if we could get some key facts checked - and the implications of posters and Johnsons set out beyond a reasonable doubt - by the standards of jury trials - but publicly on the internet - so anyone interested could actually look - we could sort out enough to take the incidence of agony and death from war way down from where it has been. It's a beautiful point but also an ugly one, that we insist on taking "connection of the dots" to an umpired closure - for all to see.

Don't you think?

LOL

PS You should try this its therapeutic. Remember that movie 'From Dusk Till Dawn'?

almarst2002 - 10:41pm Feb 17, 2003 EST (# 9058 of 9064)

Robert,

The treat of force by virtue of posessing the force even with a clear and moraly defendable ground is ugly. Can you hit a small child even when he is wrong? But what we have in our case is an attempt to kill the already disfigured by permanent punshment child cause he may grou up hating you and trying to take revenge later on.

And that just assuming the WMD is at the source. Which I personaly just don't believe. Sorry.

Millions of Iraqi children are orphants thanks to the brutality of US. Millions of Iraqi mothers are single. Millions lost their chidren. And millions more are now waiting for this to happen.

This is what you call a Christian Golden Rule?

bbbuck - 12:35am Feb 18, 2003 EST (# 9059 of 9064)

Alarmist, the gulf war, or the reconquering of Kuwait, started, after Saddam Hussein thought he could invade Kuwait and that the world would let him get away with it.

Then he blew up all the oil wells.

Are you completely without relevant memory?

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