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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 12:29pm Feb 15, 2003 EST (# 8925 of 8928)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

The four laws of Dalton are—constant proportion, reciprocal proportion, multiple proportion, and compound proportion.

http://www.bartleby.com/81/1038.html

[ ? This might be adopted-adapted to become the four laws of IR ]

rshow55 - 12:32pm Feb 15, 2003 EST (# 8926 of 8928) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Anti-war march 'to be UK's biggest ever' Simon Jeffery and agencies Saturday February 15, 2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/antiwar/story/0,12809,896265,00.html

London today became the scene for what is expected to be the biggest peace rally in British history. Throughout the world, millions gathered to protest at the prospect of a war in Iraq. In hundreds of cities, including Damascus, Athens, Seoul, Rome, Tokyo and Sydney, demonstrators marched, chanted and unfurled banners to protest against conflict in the Middle East.

The London demonstration, which is currently estimated to be 750,000 people strong and could eventually attract 1m, began ahead of its scheduled starting time as the numbers congregating at Embankment forced police to allow them to march through Westminster and Whitehall earlier than expected.

Peace is an important value - though there are times fights are necessary - and surrender of essential values can't be tolerated. There has to be a sense of proportion - and after a point - that requires agreement on issues of fact .

Disarming Iraq http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/15/opinion/15SAT1.html

As much as the feuding members of the United Nations Security Council might like Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei to settle the question of war or peace with Iraq, these two mild-mannered civil servants can't make that fateful judgment. All they can do, which they did again yesterday, is to tell the Council how their inspection efforts are faring. So-so was the answer. It's up to the Council members — especially the veto-wielding quintet of the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China — to decide whether Iraq is disarming."

The notion of disarmament - in relation to the risks and costs that matter - has to be discussed - and operationally defined - with a sense of proportion set out - reasonably explicitly - by the nations involved.

When things are complicated, truth is our only hope: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/296

If the body of assertions about fact on this thread were checked - including facts about missile defense - with patterns of verification prototyped here - some of the most essential - longstanding problems of word stability and prosperity could be solved.

That's what Casey told me to try to do - saying that - if things were desperate enough - the only chance was to "come in through The New York Times."

His reasoning was simple. The TIMES, right or wrong - kept together the single most influential - and basically, the single best - body of intellectuals in the United States. So far, though I've had my problems dealing with the TIMES - I've had no basic reason to doubt that.

rshow55 - 01:38pm Feb 15, 2003 EST (# 8927 of 8928) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Antiwar Rallies Raise a Chorus Across Europe By ALAN COWELL http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/international/europe/16EURO.html

Iraq Said to Plan Strategy of Delay and Urban Battle By MICHAEL R. GORDON http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/international/middleeast/16IRAQ.html

The strategy outlined is militarily obvious - and would impose a large death toll - and other losses - on Iraq and invading forces.

It seems to me that war ought to be avoided. But if it is not avoided - it is important, from many points of view - that it not be more unjust or ugly than it has to be. I think that the Jordanians made a brilliant and important suggestion - that could be very important if we want a difficult transition to occur - and occur with as much grace and legitimacy as possible.

Jordan Pressing U.S. to Offer Exile to Hussein By JOHN F. BURNS http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-EU-Iraq.html

AMMAN, Jordan, Feb. 11 — Officials at high levels of Jordan's government say they are pressing the United States to offer President Saddam Hussein and perhaps 50 of his top aides a guarantee of safe haven elsewhere in the Arab world if they will quit power in Iraq.

Jordan's suggestion - implemented - might save tens or hundreds of thousands of lives - and enormous agony.

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