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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 10:19am Jan 29, 2003 EST (#8304
of 8313) Can we do a better job of finding truth?
YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and
worked for on this thread.
http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md01000s/DetailNGR.htm
includes this:
Here's the crux of the message - not a very complicated
one:
Bigotry comes from all sides - and nobody CAN see every
other point of view. Few enough are clear about their own
ideas.
Tolerance that is sophisticated enough to be workable is
intellectually harder than intolerance, or pat answers.
I think if Jesus was alive today, he might cry out.
" Hey, you guys didn't get it the way I
hoped you would about the Golden Rule -- you have to think ,
and think hard, to figure out how to make the Golden Rule
apply to complicated circumstances, and real people. .
“ And you have to check to see that you
haven't missed something, if things matter enough to be
careful about."
Maybe that'd be all the new message that'd be needed.
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rshowalter - 03:31pm Jul 7, 2002 BST (#10 of 41)
The "Golden Rule" is a minimal standard, but very good for
the basic interactions that peace and economic cooperation
takes. Practically every religious and cultural group pays
some lip service to the "golden rule." The form I remember
reads
" Do unto others as you would have them do
unto you. "
Few but the a tiny group of the most conscientious people
today think of this in the literal, explicit sense world peace
and prosperity needs.
The Golden Rule is less than a workable, comprehensive
guide to living.
But now, it is worse used than it ought to be, since
"others" in the rule is usually read to be "others
within my group" and not "others in outside groups, as
well." The point needs to be taught, with intellectually
clear context, today.
For complicated practical cases the "golden rule" has to be
subject to qualifications, especially when it applies outside
a group. But the golden rule counts "when it really matters"
... "when cooperation is required" ..... "when things are
going wrong." It isn't necessary or desirable, to do away with
the tribal ties that bind and provide identity. But workable,
nonpathological interfaces between tribes ARE required.
When peace seems impossible, these interfaces are lacking.
The problem is emotional, of course, but it has a large
intellectual content, too.
The "golden rule" is especially important when passions
stand against it - when the people involved hate each other.
It is then that the "golden rule" is most essential for
complex cooperation and for peace.
How would you want an enemy to treat you? You'd be repelled
if he attempted to embrace you. Instead, b you'd want clear
communication, with clear, proportionate and credible threats
and incentives.
You'd want clear rules of conduct agreed upon between you,
that you could each abide by. So that you could cooperate,
stay out of each other's way, maintain each other's dignity,
and interact as efficiently and honorably as possible. Neither
side would have to love, or forgive, or like the other.
Neither side would have a right to expect it. What each side
would want would be a way of living together in peace.
Friendship, if it happened at all, would come much later.
First, livable patterns of peaceful interaction need to be
fashioned. In the Middle East, and elsewhere these are needed.
And they are possible only if all sides can remember that even
their enemies are full, complicated, vulnerable, dangerous
human beings.
rshow55
- 10:20am Jan 29, 2003 EST (#8305
of 8313) Can we do a better job of finding truth?
YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and
worked for on this thread.
rshowalter - 03:32pm Jul 7, 2002 BST (#11 of 41)
It may be that in the Middle East, and other places
where human cooperation goes grossly, perversely wrong, people
are failing, at the level of intellect, imagination, and
feeling, to understand what workable reciprocity must
mean.
- - - - -
It seems to me that, for a lot of reasons - there is a
"Golden Rule deficit" in the Middle East - for all sorts of
reasons. When human arrangements meet the requirements of the
Golden Rule, Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs, and Berle's Laws of
power, thing can go much better from all sorts of points of
view. The Iraqis, and others in the Middle East need to
understand that better than they do. I think we do, as well.
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs: Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs
by William G. Huitt Essay and Image: http://chiron.valdosta.edu/whuitt/col/regsys/maslow.html
and
Berle's Laws of Power taken from Power by Adolf A.
Berle . . . 1969 ... Harcourt, Brace and World, N.Y.
are described on this thread in 667 http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_new_0100s/md667n.htm
lchic
- 10:30am Jan 29, 2003 EST (#8306
of 8313) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~
Showalter - when i said 'Chicago - Fantastic' (above), the
link was the FILM with ZetaJONES RichardGERE .....
"" .... But a second world -- a pizazz-packed universe of
slinky dancers, brassy singers and dramatic lighting -- exists
in Roxie's imagination, and that's where the film's musical
numbers unfold.
In Roxie's dream world her fellow inmates -- whey-faced
women in shapeless prison shifts -- become seductive
high-kicking dancers in S&M leather. ... "" > http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/4861520.htm
~~~~~~
lchic
- 10:51am Jan 29, 2003 EST (#8307
of 8313) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~
Showalter says there's a "Golden Rule deficit" in the
Middle East.
~~~~~~~
There's also a Golden Rule regarding threads ... Never talk
to 'strangers'!
Why would 'a poster' who doesn't even know the 'unique'
ID number of his purported Maths degree, want to meet-up
with another poster .... now that stikes me as 'very
strange' on a number of counts!
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