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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 08:31pm Jan 18, 2003 EST (# 7800 of 7811) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Had a nice trip to some museums. Madison's a great place - though everybody's too scared, too tight - and with a few changes, the place would run better.

Quite often, when people have to solve problems, they find a way. I find this very interesting. Pressure on Saddam Hussein is mounting so high that Saddam may have to do some clear thinking. Pressure on others is high, too.

Fearful Saudi Leaders Seek a Way to Budge Saddam Hussein By PATRICK E. TYLER http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/international/middleeast/19SAUD.html

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, Jan. 18 — Increasingly desperate to avoid war, Saudi Arabia is engaged in a campaign to incite Iraqi security forces to overthrow Saddam Hussein if he continues to refuse to step down or go into exile, officials here say.

The Saudi leadership is advocating Mr. Hussein's removal as part of a war-avoidance strategy even as the kingdom signals Washington that it will cooperate extensively with an American military buildup in the Persian Gulf, including offering the use of crucial bases and airspace, Saudi officials said this week.

What would happen if Saddam did what people want him to do - - asked "what happens to the children?" in ways that would work for everybody involved - and agreed to do his best to actually clean up the mess he's made - preserving the things he's done that have worked?

A lot of things might fall into place.

It is a good situation to give people a little time - to solve problems where, if they only think straight - the solutions are clear. People should keep the promises that both their friends and their enemies want them to keep - and make accomodations so that they can be "let off" of promises that are in no one's interest.

If people asked "what happens to the children?" from the point of view of the children THEY care about - again and again and again - a lot could sort out well from everybody's point of view. We're close to some very good solutions, if people don't blow it.

What do Saudi mothers and responsible fathers want - when they really think about it? What do Iraqi mothers and fathers want - when they really think about it.

What do __ ( blank ) ___ mothers and fathers want - when they really think hard about it - the way they think when it really matters - when they are afraid enough to think straight?

For (blank) substitute the name for people of any nation in the world. We can do much better than we've been doing - and it shouldn't even be hard.

I'm feeling optimistic. I think lunarchick is as close to a perfect exemplar of feminine grace and intelligence as anybody is likely to find in any culture, for a long time. I've had a busy, sweaty day.

I'll be talking about repression tomorrow.

OUT.

lchic - 06:06am Jan 19, 2003 EST (# 7801 of 7811)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Repression / Miscellaneous

A Distinct Culture: Repression

1929 Prohibition ends, Depression begins Moral crusaders have lots of free time! return to family values State begins to pay attention increased vigilance of public drinking houses All manifestations of gay life forbidden in public Cross-dressing recriminalized Crack down on Gay meeting places Film Code of 1930

http://history.ucr.edu/wmst/LecJun09/sld012.htm

Political repression

    But how exceptional was Britain? Did it avoid revolution by divine intervention, by good management and wise statesmanship - or simply by luck? Historians nowadays are far less likely to ascribe Britain's largely peaceful progress in the 19th century to divine intervention. Some have argued that the threat of violent revolution was indeed real and that Britain escaped it, not by the hand of God but by the skin of its teeth.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/society_culture/protest_reform/revolution_02.shtml
Tibet - Senator Bob Brown (Australia)
    said yesterday in Beijing that his visit had shown there was clear evidence of extensive repression of Tibetan culture, with troops and security forces deployed in big numbers and Chinese settlers swamping the region.
Talks with Tibetans had revealed there was a strong desire for liberty and the return of their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama. "The Tibetans are being so overwhelmed they can't breathe the word freedom," he said.

"My impression was that it was a giant militarized colony.

"The presence of army and militia vehicles and facilities was quite extraordinary."

Senator Brown claimed he was only the second foreign politician to visit Tibet unaccompanied since China occupied the territory in 1959.

A United States congressman, Frank Wolf, visited Tibet for five days as a tourist in August 1997 and later described China's occupation as a "death grip" on the region's indigenous population and culture.

lchic - 06:09am Jan 19, 2003 EST (# 7802 of 7811)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

women - repression

http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=repression+repression+culture+women&btnG=Google+Search

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