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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lunarchick - 06:42am Dec 22, 2002 EST (# 6914 of 6923)

MOSHING in the MOSH PIT

Gisterme had a confetti trail of dots back-while that were deteriorating in the rain - Macartha Park and Cake Jimmy Webb et al

Rain creates mud, and mud's what the mosh pit's all about .....

    If the LEADER is high on the shoulders of others - let's call them THE OLD GUARD and can not move either forwards or backwards without their assent .... and fears falling downwards where he will be trampled in the mud underfoot ...
Then that's a problem for some Nation States ... which would include Syria and Iran

The road map to modernity is a blue print the leader might want to follow ... but the question is how the leader and the people can move towards that when hindered by 'the old guard' who have their retro-greed-power agenda.

lunarchick - 07:01am Dec 22, 2002 EST (# 6915 of 6923)

Showalter - just caught the tail end of Martin LUTHER .. who liberated the individual from aspects of the Catholic Church, remember Emperor CharlesV (who also ruled what was later to be called the USA) - well he was the big boss back then at Nineteen, and Luther a 'saavy' writer pulled out 95 points ... 85 over and above Letterman's mere 10 ...

... and Luther wrote heaps of books and had them printed ... that was the 'information' explosion back 500 years (pre-internet days) ...

... anyway people got to read his books ... and he was searching for 'truth' wrt god ...

... To get to god folks in Germany had to pay heavy taxes to the Pope .... and were revolted by this ...

... the Pope eventually said 'bull' ... but the gut reaction amongst the German people was such that the bull was thrown onto the fire to roast ...

then the people looked at the 95 points and determined that additional to 'religious freedom' it also meant 'personal freedom' ... the peasants revolted ...

Luther apparently was appauled that the devil's servants (peasants) should be so upperty and was the first to shout - take them down!

This explains American History - how they could at one and the same time be 'religous' and buy and sell people!

Today of course the USA spends half the federal budget on defense .... while people without means are drawing lots to sleep in the city-poor-house ... and those who don't get selected just go out into the winter night and freeze

Luther looked for 'truth' within his concept of environment ... when the truths grew bigger than he'd envisioned - he panicked!

lunarchick - 07:10am Dec 22, 2002 EST (# 6916 of 6923)

Paedophile is a word synonymous with child exploitation and of course deplored ... [34]

lunarchick - 07:13am Dec 22, 2002 EST (# 6917 of 6923)

Children killing children in Central and South America ... one way of helping may be via

capoeira a type of dance cum martial arts developed in Brazil by those enslaved to 1888 ...

rshow55 - 07:17am Dec 22, 2002 EST (# 6918 of 6923) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

We can't afford to panic. And we don't need to.

I think that some significant things are going pretty well - and, if we're careful, will continue to.

Though I'm sorry that the search facility got taken off a while ago - it will increase my work load a bit, in the next little while.

My eyes hurt, I'm running a little overwhelmed - and so I'm doubting my judgement - but still, it seems to me that, for all the roiling and boiling - some big things have gone well this year - maybe historically well.

I think the pace is just a bit too fast - and the staffing in spots too low. But some soluble problems are coming into focus.

Something new is happening, because of information resources. Once people get polarized - ready to fight - faced off - there are now many more opportunities to communicate much more text and information through many more channels.

That means there may be ways to resolve the things the fighting is about more cleanly than before.

That may benefit everyone.

One thing I'm glad of is that, after going back-and-forth - fairly graceful, clear explanations can sometimes come - and be set out.

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