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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 07:37pm Nov 22, 2002 EST (# 6193 of 6200) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Posting on Psychwarfare, Casablanca - - - and terror represent a lot of effort on my part - and I think a lot of those postings are worth reading - perhaps especially since mid September. They are condensed and crossreferenced summaries of things said here.

Here is the link to the Oct 12 posting http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/364

On October 3, there was a sequence of postings on the NYT Missile Defense forum - and all the NYT forums were closed down thereafter for four days. I was cut off sometime less than an hour after I posted this

" it is now technically easy to shoot down every winged aircraft the US has, or can expect to build - to detect every submarine - and to sink every surface ship within 500 miles of land - the technology for doing this is basic - and I see neither technical nor tactical countermeasures."

All of the NYT forums were shut down for "urgent maintenance" shortly thereafter. Some of the material involved in that day's posting was set out, with supporting technical detail, in postings #330-338 of Psychwarfare, Casablanca . . . and terror , an International Talk thread (for links, click " rshowalter " http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?224@@2cb4d7cb@.ee7a163/364 ). Postings #330-338 of Psychwarfare have been referred to repeatedly on the NYT MD forum since it reappeared on the 7th.

When the NYT forums reappeared, I was pleased that only a few postings after 9:14 am NY time were deleted, and that the last postings permitted to remain when the forums reappeared on the 7th were my 4739 and 4740 rshow55 10/3/02 8:14am

Anybody who thinks that

"If the missile's guidance system can "see" the target the target will almost always be hit even if it is maneuvering. "

would dismiss that as a coincidence.

If gisterme , or anybody else, can find an engineer, with a name and an engineering ticket to put at risk, who'd say

"If the missile's guidance system can "see" the target the target will almost always be hit even if it is maneuvering. "

and say that subject to crossexamination - I'd be quite surprised. The statement is grossly false.

Out.

lchic - 09:20pm Nov 22, 2002 EST (# 6194 of 6200)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

OUT? And the gang's all here ...

Gathered yet unconnected dots ... why connect ... ever worn an unconnected beaded necklace anyone?

'Say hi to George' (The Poster) ... not 'Thee George!' ?

    ""This article is based on a talk that was presented at a November, 1997 meeting of the Connecticut Society's Roger Sherman Branch by Robert Russell (center), First Selectman of Wilton and potential SAR. The setting was the Wilton Historical Heritage Museum. Working closely with him in the preparation of the article's manuscript were two members of the branch: Michael R. Harke (left) and Paul Caravatt. Here they are shown in the Museum examining a gilded piece of the George III statue - believed to be from the royal drapery (see drawing reproduced elsewhere).
    Missing Pieces Begin To Show Up
    This might have been the end of the story, but fifty years later, in Wilton; the missing pieces began to surface. About 1822, young William Comstock, whose grandfather had lived in the Raymond Tavern from 1799-1814, was digging in a field on the hill across the street, near the pond now known as the Davis Swamp. He came upon a 75-lb. piece of lead in the shape of a saddle. It was identified by an aged veteran as a part of the King George statue. The Comstocks sold it to a New York City resident who sold it to Riley's Fifth Ward Museum Hotel in New York City. After Riley's death in 1864, it disappeared.
    Also in the 1820s a piece of the lead coat skirt was found by Moses Olmstead under the milk room on the property of his aunt Abigail Sloan, a half mile up the road. Aunt Nabby said that her late husband David (known to be a Tory) had taken some pieces in 1776 and hidden them. (Source: article by Samuel Main, dated Jan 21, 1881.) This piece was shown by Moses Olmstead in 1829, but has not been seen since.
Illustrates the point that too often history has to be pieced together .... dots connected ... to try to get to truth.

USA mid-late C20 history has dots on major issues which don't connect ... where truth isn't 'seen' because it's muddied and clouded.

As i asked above - WHO KILLED KENNEDY and WHY?

Who had something to gain?
What did they have to gain?
Who gained financially?
Who master-mined the death
Who muddied it further?
Why isn't the real truth OUT?

People generally don't want war with Iraq!
That's a fact.

People generally do want a better deal for the people of Iraq.
That's a fact.

For the people of Africa.
For the Arab world.
For the people who're ill, sick, undernourished.
For 'THE PEOPLE'
That's a fact!

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