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- 07:28am Nov 17, 2002 EST (#
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Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
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on this thread.
Great posts, lunarchick - - dealing with essential
problems that have to be faced and solved - step by step. I
thought your last post was a wonderful summary of problems
that are going to have to occupy the Islamic world for many
years to come - problems related to concerns the oil-producing
states have worried about, and known they've had, for more
than a generation.
How are these states to arrange themselves so that they
can become prosperous, modern, and stable - when oil income
can't do everything - and when everybody knows that their oil
riches won't last forever?
The Saudis and other have explicitly asked for help with
this - again and again.
Some problems - or kinds of problems - aren't solved
- they are coped with - and handled with more or less success.
Lunarchick states an important and essential part of
the problem that the Arab nations face - and have to face. It
isn't overwhelming - but it has to be handled step by step.
But at some levels - some key adjustments are going to have to
be made. Not impossible ones, if they are handled with a sense
of what needs to be done, and why - and a sense of where the
constraints are. But there are some things that
do have to change - if Arab nations are going to
provide for themselves well, or deal with others in ways that
are decent and stable. Here again is a key summary of
11/17/02 6:33am that I think is brilliant and on-point:
" Pipeline nations have IN-in-comes
begging the question, how should money be divided, given to
whom, when, and for what reason?
" Such nations have to talk, to
communicate longways, shortways, crossways and determine
" What impedements to straight talking
are there -if any?
" If the society is based on a structure
of lies and deceptions, then it is necessary to have to
admit that mistakes have been made and look for truth -- to
get everyone 'jumping from it' to welcome new futures.
" Checking and looking for truths are
essential and have to be 'morally forcing' and carried out
for the national good. Without reaching this stage a country
can be stagnant, paralysed and locked into a redundant
All societies have plenty of conventions, lies, and
deceptions that slow down function - and that make some things
ugly. If there are too many, things are paralyzed. Too often
in the past, and now - the Arab countries have been paralyzed
- performance has simply been very low compared to that of the
How can the changes that are necessary for decent
performance over the long term - necessary in Arab
terms going to be undertaken? Is it possible?
It is not possible if everything has to be done all
at once. It is not possible if inconsistencies aren't
But the problems Lunarchick speaks of just above are
essential - and they have to be handled - handled better than
today - handled to a greater extent than today - - if the Arab
states are to solve problems that they know they have -
and that they know they have to solve.
If solutions to these problems is impossible under Islam,
then Islam is a failed religion. I don't believe that Islam
really is that inflexible. But if it is, defenders of that
faith are well along toward presiding over its demise.
- 01:46pm Nov 17, 2002 EST (#
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Religions are developed and accepted because they closely
fit the environment and needs of the era when they evolve.
When folks turn to Makkah/Mecca prostrate, they run through
a procedure that actually exercises 'every' muscle in their
bodies, this done 4-5 times daily assits health and fitness.
"Will we continue to argue, to condemn, to fight and
kill one another; or will we sit down and counsel with one
another in seeking a just solution to the problems that
beset us in America and in the world? Wisdom decrees that in
counsel and in dialogue is the way to peace. Foolishness
decrees that if we ignore the warning signs, we will fall
into the deeper abyss of Hell. God is the Judge today; and
most surely upon Him do the Believers rely! Tynetta Muhammad
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- 01:48pm Nov 17, 2002 EST (#
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