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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lunarchick - 11:22pm Nov 12, 2002 EST (# 5688 of 5701)

Strategic alliances

Were Iraq to get 200 Nations to each place an investment into Iraq ...
a process line ...
an education unit

Then there would be

    greater international cultural understanding
    networking and exchanges
    dividends to be shared
    Common Ground
This might avert the risks of war

lunarchick - 11:38pm Nov 12, 2002 EST (# 5689 of 5701)


She told me a woman spoke to her
Asked her questions on her life

At the same time revealing her own
How a a girl
In a prison camp
She had been forced
to stand and STARE AT THE SUN
for an HOUR

The pain still burns
She had four eye operations

She's still 'talking' on this

Armies, War, bombs, landmines, nuclear bombs .... they all cause PAIN!


Raises the question

Why haven't the Japanese said they are as a nation SORRY for the inhumanity of their WAR GENERATION ???

kalter.rauch - 02:08am Nov 13, 2002 EST (# 5690 of 5701)
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rshow55 11/7/02 8:20am

I'm for any research on MD that actually makes technical sense - - and I've said that a lot on this board - but we differ a good deal on what standards of checking about "making sense" are like.

I just got through supplying you sources and links which DO make technical sense in kalter.rauch 11/7/02 6:52am.

Unfortunately, you choose to dismiss the science with glib, meaningless, and unfounded "criticism". So, tell me what it is about Col. Walling's assessment that YOU find senseless. What is it about her career and resume` that you find it so easy to dismiss her judgement? See, you won't do that...because you don't WANT there to be a military/technical solution to the problem. You'd rather trust to the blandishments of modern day Neville Chamberlains and agreements signed by maniacs like Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong Il......and you'd much rather exercise your talent for writing mind-numbing and will-sapping rhetoric.

Fortunately, REAL SCIENCE is progressing in REAL Missile Defense.

kalter.rauch - 02:28am Nov 13, 2002 EST (# 5691 of 5701)
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rshow55 11/7/02 10:31am

commondata 11/7/02 8:41am . . .I hadn't followed the EMP bomb literature, and is very well written, and an eye-opener.

SEE?!?!? See how you are, Rshow?!?!? YOU DIDN'T EVEN skim over MY sources, preferring instead to indulge in a defeatist POLITICAL review of defense. Well, SURE!!! You WOULD find that article to be "very well written, and an eye-opener", at least insofar as its slant. What is so sickeningly disingenuous about your tactics is that, on the one hand, you dismiss technology like the old Flux Compression Generator (not to mention new directed energy systems) when it's presented by MY sources...and then you turn right around and laud "commondata's" anti-defense article which describes the very same thing as " eye opener"!!!

You're an ignorant and DANGEROUS demagogue, Rshow.

kalter.rauch - 02:59am Nov 13, 2002 EST (# 5692 of 5701)
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commondata 11/7/02 8:41am

I am NOT "encouraging the proliferation of electromagnetic weapons". I can see you're at least willing to investigate the soundness of the technology...maybe YOU can explain it to Rshow......

May I presume that you are also aware of the history of warfare...especially in terms of the rapid technical advances since WWII??? If so, then you MUST agree that the inventive nature of Man cannot be suppressed. Science favors neither good nor evil. The TRUTH itsself is amoral. Therefore we HAVE to know what the "other side" MAY know. Not only that, we have to stay many steps ahead of the enemy and let him know that in spite of his "best" efforts he dare not attack us, lest he face certain annihilation. That's the awful truth...a terrible fact of life in a world of ruthless predatory barbarians.

No, Commondata, I'm not encouraging proliferation of EMP weapons. The "hundredth monkey" hypothesis would seem as valid for washing potatoes in a stream as it does for new weapon technologies. You may recall an apocryphal story from the recent Balkan Wars in which Serb irregulars downed one of our vaunted F-117s by means of a micro-wave oven. I HOPE that wasn't true, but there is an article in a recent SCIENCE magazine about a new "microwave drill" cobbled together from $20 worth of oven parts and coax cable. This at least illustrates that science and technology is even now decades AHEAD of the diabolical machinations of evildoers.

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