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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 06:19pm Oct 28, 2002 EST (# 5358 of 5362) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

For some sense of what I've been doing on this thread - in long interaction with you as well as almarst and lchic - - - click rshow55 in the upper left hand corner of this posting - some material is organized for your easy reference.

Some of the links in that material connect to the Guardian Talk threads - if you click them, and want some other links I've thought were especially interesting, click rshowalter in the upper left hand corner of my postings there.

I'll want to ponder what you say in gisterme 10/28/02 3:28pm - - thanks for making such an interesting posting.

gisterme 10/28/02 4:59pm and gisterme 10/28/02 5:05pm are interesting, too.

Stunningly dishonest.

I wonder -- who is gisterme trying to convince? It seems to me that a good deal of interest, nationally and internationally, has been discussed on this thread in the last few days. Perhaps some people will find the following links cited in 5304 rshow55 10/27/02 10:45am interesting.

Recalling efforts by many high status people in 2000 - efforts that have gone before, and reasons our NYT- MD thread effort was undertaken - concentrating on a new approach:

After an old posting of mine on the Guardian treads was deleted, I reposted a briefing I gave for this thread's "Putin stand-in" - almarst - - that I believe staffed organizations could read with profit now. It dealt with problems that Casey cared a lot about - that Reagan cared a lot about (Reagan wanted to get rid of the thread of nukes - and wanted that badly). Issues that I discussed at length with Steve Kline. And discusses some key things about what it is to establish facts and relations, in workable human terms, and why it matters.

Here is that reposting, in Mankind's Inhumanity to Man - as natural as human goodness? : #341-356

The word "missile defense" isn't prominant in that briefing - but I'm proud of it anyway - and lchic and I worked hard on it - hoping to make a difference - and make the United States and the world safer.

gisterme - 06:53pm Oct 28, 2002 EST (# 5359 of 5362)

mazza9 10/28/02 5:48pm

"...Who knows, maybe by Christmas 2009 and 475,000 additional, (posts of ) inane verbage he might deign to admit more..."

Thanks, Lou. Progress is progress even if it is taking place in a delusional world. :-)

gisterme - 07:40pm Oct 28, 2002 EST (# 5360 of 5362)

lchic 10/28/02 4:37pm

I "...COUNT..."

I'm impressed that you've apparantly mastered the use of large fonts, lchic. Congratulations.

"...Can Americans Count..."

Sure, at least the ones that haven't been "educated" recently.

"...Do Americans Count..."

Of course they do. They count their blessings...even the ones that have been "educated" recently.

"....What do they Count for..."

They count one-for-one with other people in the world.

"...Who Counts..."


"...Who doesn't Count..."

Only those who have been "educated" recently. Lots of them don't know how.

"...Americans demonstrate no respect for themselves..."

How so?

...'' The violence in our society is as relentless and impersonal as an automobile assembly line..."

I handn't noticed.

"...We murder one another by the tens of thousands in this country, and there is no sign anywhere that that is about to change..."..."

What you fail to mention is that that is no different than anywhere else. How many Austrailians have been murdered last couple of weeks lchic? Please don't forget the Bali bombing when you consider that question.

gisterme - 07:46pm Oct 28, 2002 EST (# 5361 of 5362)

rshow55 10/28/02 6:16pm

"...You've made many postings according to the conventions - stated and unstated - of this thread..."

What convetntions are those, Robert? Is there a New York Times web page that states what those conventions are for the Missile Defense forum? What do you mean by "unstated" conventions? I'm even more mystified than before. Is this a question you consider important or one you'd rather not answer?

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