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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 10:51am Oct 17, 2002 EST (# 4978 of 4993) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

By some very clear and reasonable definitions, Bill Casey was a war criminal. Casey knew that very well. And he felt he was doing the best he could - under the circumstances as they were.

I suspect that Kissenger felt the same.

Sometimes, I think, Casey was very wrong about that. Kissinger, too. But not always.

Was Casey a "war criminal"? You can say so.

But there was a lot more to it than that.

We're in a situation now where we can do better.

To do so, we have to face some facts about the past, about ourselves - and about human limitations.

It is dangerous for us not to do that. "Simple" answers, after a point - have to be judged by consequences - - and a time comes where consequences have to be weighed - and explained.

In such circumstances, quite often, truth is our only hope. There are things that the United States, as a practical matter, cannot sort out without pressure, and questions - from other nations.

Maybe that's happening.

If staffed organizations read the briefing cited in rshow55 10/16/02 5:17pm . . #340-356 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7b085/383 especially #341-342 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7b085/384 . . it seems to me that some better decisions might be made.

lchic - 10:55am Oct 17, 2002 EST (# 4979 of 4993)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Anatomy of death

http://www.baliforum.com/images/bali-kuta-bomb1.jpg

almarst2002 - 07:18pm Oct 17, 2002 EST (# 4980 of 4993)

I'm an American tired of American lies - http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,813189,00.html

"I got a few moments alone with Clinton. Saddam throwing out the weapons inspectors was all over the news and I asked what he was going to do. His answer was very revealing. He said: "Everybody is telling me to bomb him. All the military are saying, 'You gotta bomb him.' But if even one innocent person died, I couldn't bear it." And I looked in his eyes and I believed him. Little did I know he was blocking humanitarian aid at the time, allowing the deaths of thousands of innocent people."

"I am a father, and no amount of propaganda can convince me that half a million dead children is acceptable "collateral damage".

"A decade later, Shrub follows the same line: "We have no quarrel with the Iraqi people." I'm sure half a million Iraqi parents are scratching their heads over that."

I'm an American tired of lies. And with our government, it's mostly lies.

manjumicha - 11:46pm Oct 17, 2002 EST (# 4981 of 4993)

When I see Rumsfeld foaming in his mouth taking about NKs and their nukes, I can't help but thinking.....Gee, we have another fanatic running a country with 10,000 nukes...and I am not referring to Bush Jr. in case the few dim brains on this forum miss my point. And the way he was spinning the story was like hearing a silent scream of one mad man....."we cornered ...they CONFESSED !" Like as if a junior state depart. functionary was interrogating NK leadership in a local police station.....:-)

His contorted faces and foaming mouth said a lot more than his lying lips ever could.

manjumicha - 11:52pm Oct 17, 2002 EST (# 4982 of 4993)

I have noted for the past few years that the most hawkish elements of US political leadership have been jewish americans (i.e. William Kristol, Richard Pearle, Rumsfeld, Wolforwitz, etc) I wonder if NK cooperation with Israel's enemies have caused them to push for distored US foreign policy regarding NK and China. That would also include William Safire of this news paper whose raw hatred of China and NK is "legendary". Maybe someone jewish can enlighten me on this connection?

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