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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 09:07am Sep 2, 2002 EST (# 4116 of 4117) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

This thread has many of the difficulties, and strengths, of pretrial discovery.

I said that it seemed likely that gisterme is Condoleeza Rice, and gave my reasons.

People could check.

It is a political season, and political professionals (many of them lawyers, many of them with trial experience) would know very well why Condoleeza Rice, or one of her staff, might put out considerable efforts here. I have a great deal of respect for the level of effort and competence that gisterme has shown - whoever s/he is.

Psychwarfare, Casablanca -- and terror http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/198 written on May 12, 2001, and cited recently, reads in part:

"The New York Times - Science - MISSILE DEFENSE thread would total about ten 1 1/2' looseleaf notebooks by now. I summarized it, in a way you might find interesting, and could read quickly, in 3532: http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@193.wnetaC3RSsr^3997117@.f0ce57b/3791 , which reads in part:

""We've had outstanding contributors -- who have furthered discussion by taking a special "stand-in" role.

""We've had "stand-ins" who have imitated, or tried to imitate, the thought processes of important world figures, so that the discourse here could progress, and simulate more important dialogs to be hoped for. We've had extremely well written, thoughtful, and extensive contributions with a "Bill Clinton -stand in" a "Vladimir Putin -- stand in" , and a " Bush Administration Sr Advisor -- stand in" . Sometimes I've been in personal doubt whether these people have been stand-ins, because the work of these people has been so good. If you sample the work of these people, you may agree with how good their work is.

. . . .

"I personally believe that correspondence between senior people in communication with their governments is going on in this Missile Defense thread. My opinion is only my own. The postings are, by intention of all concerned, provisional and deniable.

"Work on the NYT Missile Defense is ongoing, at a fast pace, and I feel things are happening that are sometimes wrenching, as deep disagreements are being made clear, but yet very constructive.

" I believe that the Guardian-Observer , and The New York Times , using the new possibilities of the internet, are making real world progress possible. Dawn Riley and I are trying to participate in some of that.

I've given my reasons for what I believe all along.

rshow55 - 09:35am Sep 2, 2002 EST (# 4117 of 4117) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

If Cooper wants to argue "don't have to believe you - I can dismiss you." - - - that works, to a degree. But not always.

Somebody could sue somebody. Some politician or journalist might ask a question that couldn't be avoided. And rules could change.

My reasons to think Coulter posted here are set out here:
3640 rshow55 8/11/02 1:54pm ... ... 3643 rshow55 8/11/02 2:03pm
3664 rshow55 8/12/02 10:45am

"Americans need to be WORTHY of the GOOD THINGS people associate with this flag - - not just wave it. Our allies, and people all over the world, should be able to expect that. And able to check that. . . . On missile defense issues, and other issues that matter enough.

Questions for the 4th of July are worth asking today. 2861 rshow55 7/4/02 12:06pm

Sometimes, checking is worth the trouble. Even if somebody has to go to some effort - to work through chains of evidence. It is trouble. Trials do that pretty well, fairly often. And this thread works well as pretrial discovery.

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