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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 01:53pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3387 of 3395) Delete Message

rshowalter - 01:05pm Jun 10, 2001 EST (#4691 Robert Showalter mrshowalter@thedawn.com

In the December 19, 1999 WEEK IN REVIEW there was this:

Ideas & Trends; Insurers Come in From The Cold on Cancer by GINA KOLATA and KURT EICHENWALD

Abstract: Growing number of insurance companies agree to pay for experimental cancer treatments administered to policyholders who participate in clinical trials sanctioned by federal health agencies; experts call development momentous; for almost two decades, cancer researchers have been fighting over inadequate federal payments for clinical trials; change has come as courts and state legislatures, faced with desperate patients, have begun to require insurers to pay for experimental therapies . . . .

The phrase "come in from the cold" is used in the paper from time to time - and was used today. For reasons that made sense in context, after this article I asked a NYT writer, writing under a pseudonym rather easily breached - if that was a signal to me to debrief -- and was led to believe that it was. The debriefing, by email correspondence, took my full attention for some months, and much of that writer's time, for some months. I was led to believe that the CIA was involved -- and at the end of the debriefing, after an enormous amount of work, I was told that the mathematical research unit with which I'd been associated had been disbanded, and there was no place for me. I would have appreciated being told that before spending months of intense effort.

I feel sure, for what I believe are good reasons, that the NYT writer involved then is also "dirac" MD4639 rshowalter 6/8/01 10:27pm . . . MD4627 rshowalter 6/8/01 5:16pm . . . MD1742 rshowalter 3/29/01 8:09pm

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I believe that Dirac is one of George Johnson's pseudonyms. Now, it seems to me that this is a point about the "debriefing" is worth reviewing now, because it deals with what I can reasonably ask, and what I can reasonably assume the government and the NYT know.

All the same, what was done, and the decisions made by "Johnson" and "CIA" involving the debriefing may have been entirely understandable, based on what they knew.

Under the circumstances involved I did not feel able to broach certain key points to "Dirac." I was communicating through a pseudonymous, utterly deniable, channel. People looking at the corresponse may understand my reasons. My reasons to keep from dealing with certains subjects made sense to me in light of circumstances described in MD2769 rshow55 6/29/02 7:59am , though perhaps others might think I was inept or unduly cautious in making that judgement. Perhaps I should have shown more courage.

One reason I didn't communicate some things was that I hadn't finished a key part of the job I'd been set. I hadn't met Casey's criteria for coming in through the New York Times. Casey had been clear that, before I could expect the NYT channel to function well, I had to have my ideas clear enough so that they could propagate through the culture -- or at least had a chance of doing so. Then, I had to meet face to face. Until my work on paradigm conflict with lchic - - I didn't have things to that point. When I did have explanations at a level where I thought they fit Casey's criteria - in September 2000 - I did make an effort to come in throught the NYT - with consequences I did not anticipate, which have occupied me and others since.

The awkwardnesses with that effort to come in may have occurred because I'd "jumped the gun" with Dirac. But at the time my debriefing with Dirac started, it seemed reasonable - and as it proceeded without communication channels opening, I did the best I could. Johnson may have done so, as well.

rshow55 - 02:38pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3388 of 3395) Delete Message

3387 above was 3404 when it was first posted at 1:53 pm.

There have been some deletions.

17 deletions.

Let me see if I can go back, find them, and save them.

It seems a good time to quote a section of a presentation I handed a responsible man on the 17th of this month:

Operational Fact:

If I can't get debriefed by the government - I have strong reasons to try to get foundation funding so that I can be debriefed on a private basis. Work on NYT forums - especially the Missile Defense forum -- offers a coordinated and extensive body of checkable points.

I want to get the AEA investors paid as they should be, and back pay for myself if that can be arranged. I feel justified in pursuing this.

I think my needs can be served well, meeting the needs of others at the same time.

Priority ordering for me: National interest . . . NYT interest . . scientific community interest . . . U.W. interest . . . my own interest. I come last in priority, but I matter, too.

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I don't think I'm being unreasonable.

mazza9 - 02:51pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3389 of 3395)
"Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic Commentaries

"I don't think I'm being unreasonable."

Oh, really?

"I come last in priority, but I matter, too."

Yet, the majority of you verbage is about you and your on-going saga.

Why?

rshow55 - 02:53pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3390 of 3395) Delete Message

All entries posted by "dirac" have been deleted.

I wonder if that is all of the seventeen deletions? Checking.

I have the files of this thread, from the beginning, and can identify them, both pre and post March 1, 2002.

lchic - 02:54pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3391 of 3395)

Can the US-gov be likened to a pantomime horse, whose front end is out of sync with the rear?

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