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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 02:39pm Jul 18, 2002 EST (#3138 of 3339)

"" Just as Russia's top companies are finally beginning to embrace the practices of their Western counterparts --introducing corporate governance charters, electing independent directors and revealing beneficial owners -- the international exchanges on which they hope to list have plunged to levels not seen in years, led by the months-long string of corporate fraud scandals in the United States.

That is why few analysts believed LUKoil president Vagit Alekperov when he said earlier this week that the government would offer 6 percent of its stake in the oil giant on the London Stock Exchange on July 31.

Projected proceeds from the sale are not what they were three months ago

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2002/07/18/002.html

Wouldn't folks be looking for somewhere to 'put' their money - somewhere other than the USA?

zulphia - 05:26pm Jul 18, 2002 EST (#3139 of 3339)

I find the messages on this forum interesting and highly insigtful . Am I correct that there are organizations behind some of the individuals who posted their opinions? Please let me know, you may be our only chance to avoid a great calamity.

rshowalt - 05:37pm Jul 18, 2002 EST (#3140 of 3339)

Ref: belgium white paper/USnazi & DotsJpn

http://www.prouty.org/brussell/nazi-1.html

makes VERY interesting reading.

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

by Mae Brussell (from The Rebel, November 22, 1983)

This part struck me:

"Two Lee Harvey Oswalds existed.

"One memorized the Marine manual by age 17, went directly into radar and electronic work. He trained at U-2 bases, learned the Russian language, got himself into and out of the Soviet Union, wrote clear and literate letters. He was met, upon arriving home, by Government agents, provided with occupations, fathered two children, owed no debts, traveled around a great deal, met with interesting oil geologists, defense department and intelligence agents. Their social circle included the "Cabots and Lodges" from Czarist Russia, Admirals and some fancy folks.

"The other Oswald was one developed by the Warren Commission to divert attention from the facts. Nobody ever saw the original "diary" that he couldn't have possibly written.

I can't vouch for this story at all -- know nothing about it. But suppose a person was in the situation described for Oswald above. A lot of stimulation, status, credentials in a small world -- but no traceable credentials usable outside that small world. Not much centering with respect to the outside world, either. With no credentials that were really workable and commensurate with ability and experience -- what would there be to do but obey orders? And how easily could the reasonableness, or even sanity, of those orders be judged?

http://www.prouty.org/brussell/nazi-1.html makes interesting reading. Depressing reading. The most basic facts about the Gehlen organization are not much disputed - and have even appeared in the New York Times.

I know this from personal experience. Every kind of human manipulation that the Nazis knew how to do - for instance, to get some of the Kapos in the death camps to do what they did - - CIA also knew exactly.

Casey's name is absent from http://www.prouty.org/brussell/nazi-1.html , and I think from most other writings about Nazi-CIA connections. Casey knew about the Nazis, and felt we had to know, and know well, what they knew. But he didn't like them much. I had a sense that some others in the agency liked the Nazis a good deal more - something consistent with http://www.prouty.org/brussell/nazi-1.html and a good deal else, including a good deal that has gotten into print, first and last, in the mainstream media.

Yes, I'm having some tech problems in spots. But I'm also working on some other things -- which are going well.

http://www.prouty.org/brussell/nazi-1.html is worth some reading - not necessarily to believe a hundred percent - but to think about. What about it could be checked? With effort, a good deal, because of the way things connect.

I continue to feel that if the phrases "Nazi-Bush" or "Nazi-Bushes" became "one word" in the culture - a lot of things could be cleaned up. There are things that need to be thought about, checked, and fixed.

Here's a fact. Every financial and accounting malpractice being discussed today was standard, carefully understood procedure for the Nazis, for their American supporters - and all this has long been very well understood at CIA.

lchic - 03:31am Jul 19, 2002 EST (#3141 of 3339)

Camp X-ray was modelled on this http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,757783,00.html
!!?

lchic - 03:48am Jul 19, 2002 EST (#3142 of 3339)

WindFarms UK Ministry of
""Defence chiefs have been claiming that the movement of turbines affects radar on low flying jet aircraft and believe national security could be threatened ... other Nato countries such as Germany and the US had overcome the problem ..... Soaring insurance rates since September 11 are also posing serious problems across the fledgling industry with some rates rising by over 100%, damaging the profitability of schemes.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/green/story/0,9061,757971,00.html

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