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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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mazza9 - 03:12pm Jul 17, 2002 EST (#3114 of 3339)
"Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic Commentaries

Maybe we're being too hard on Mazza . . . maybe he's a lot better person than we think - - and better, in some ways, than we can think - - looking at his postings here. Maybe he had a mother who loved him. Maybe for reasons a person could sympathize with. Who knows?

Just the point. I was drawn to this forum by the premise stated regarding Missile Defense. I did not care about your personal foibles. I didn't join to have words with lchic who needs a tutorial in Emily Post polite behavior. Mind you I've asked on several occassions that she refrain from the nasty manner in which she spells my name since that is meant to infuriate me and she has succeeded. Frankly, I would rather converse and pursue the issue at hand.

As long as lchic pushes emotional buttons you have the perfect example of why the open, truthful discourse that you propose is not going to occur.

Furthermore, name calling and conspiratorial innuendos regarding the Bush Family and Nazism is hogwash. President Bush 41 was a World War II fighter pilot. With all the "pull" his family possessed, why is it that he fought and nearly died for his country? I don't come here to argue politics. I suppose that you believe that you have all the solutions to the problems that confront us as a civilization. Again, this is not the place for that. Write a book, run for office, or become a TV pundit.

lchic - 03:18pm Jul 17, 2002 EST (#3115 of 3339)

Greenspan - economist

takes top spot in Economist

World stockmarkets remain volatile in spite of attempts by the Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, to restore calm by sounding an optimistic note about America's economic prospects.

http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1234298

lchic - 03:25pm Jul 17, 2002 EST (#3116 of 3339)

I spell your name mAzzA - as you do!

Why should that infuriate you - it doesn't.

But again we are detracting from the main issue - the

Enslavement of the American People

Their repression

over the past six decades

by the SHADOW government

(presumably now employing mAzzA, hence the nAzzA-mAzzA comment)

If there wasn't repression via the right wing Shadow then there would be a more OPEN discussion in the USA on matters that count

The EnronClimate is bring people out - the reason - the Greedy - including Bush and Cheney - have eaten away the fatted calves folks thought they had for their future security - from the inside!

The Brian Wynne GUT REACTION is starting to happen - the HIP POCKET NERVE of the people has been hit and hit hard!

rshow55 - 03:45pm Jul 17, 2002 EST (#3117 of 3339) Delete Message

Mazza, you seem very upset that I associate the Bush family with the Nazis. Could I have touched a nerve with your employer?

A nerve that ought to be touched.

The issue is very much worth discussing. And patterns of intimidation, as well. Missile Defense is now, and long has been, a technical fraud. You can't point to a single example of a technical point I've made about Missile Defense (or that Postol's made) where we've been wrong -- but you can - - using techniques of dishonest controversy - keep things out of focus.

But it does seem to me that people, both internationally, and in the United States, are getting to be more willing to consider things that have actually happened.

And yes, the association between the Bushes and the Nazis is very strong, and of long standing. As for deflecting everything because GBush Sr happened to serve in WWII-- a lot of SS soldiers died for their country, too - including many who were real monsters.

mazza9 - 04:19pm Jul 17, 2002 EST (#3118 of 3339)
"Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic Commentaries

I spell your name mAzzA - as you do! Why should that infuriate you - it doesn't. But again we are detracting from the main issue - the Enslavement of the American People Their repression

Let me see if I understand mAzzA = Mazza. Robert, You're the mathematician. Are they the same? "Why should that infuriate you?" I was brought up by an Italian Grandmother who wielded a mean wooden spoon and demanded polite, proper behavior. She believed that one of the worse things you could do is "name call". I've had people mispronounce my last name as "Mazda". I remind them ONE TIME, "Excuse me but my name is Mah zah. When they continue their rudeness I ignore them.

This little lesson in politics and diplomatic behavior is not new. It appears that the current era eschews politeness and you see it in bellicose driving habits, slanderous statements by our politicians and Big B bellicose statements by the Saddam's of this world.

BTW I am currently unemployed and have never been in the employ of the Bush family in any manner. Of course, that is not the issue. As in "Miss Congeniality" the issue is "World Peace"

My contact information is at NSS club

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