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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 07:42pm Jul 8, 2002 EST (#2916 of 3052)

Hitler Humour Politically correct or incorrect EU

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/euro/story/0,9061,748285,00.html

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?50@@.eece26f/0

rshow55 - 09:04pm Jul 8, 2002 EST (#2917 of 3052)

http://www.subvertise.org/details.php?code=453 shows a very effective poster which includes an interesting quote. MD1075 rshow55 4/4/02 1:17pm

The United States government, especially the C.I.A., has studied the ways of the Nazi's very carefully -- I was assigned to study them and, if possible, adapt them, gracefully, to the needs of the U.S. government.

The connections between the Nazis and the Bush family, from the 1930's, but after the war and at the C.I.A. as well, ought to be carefully studied.

Many of the patterns of enronation were quite well understood by the Nazis - and by Casey.

Has anyone believably disputed the facts that Krugman alludes to in Succeeding in Business http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/opinion/07KRUG.html ?

MD2797 rshow55 6/30/02 9:23pm

The idea that connection of US or British practice to Nazi practice is "defamatory" is tiresome and dangerous. MUCH of the Cold War was fought with a great deal of conscious borrowing from the Nazis.

Casey was both very aware, and very concerned about this. He felt Nazi usages were excellent for war fighting. But not for making a stable peace, or a decent world. We talked about that a lot.

The worst things that Eisenhower warned against in his Farewell Address have happened. We need to fix them. Getting the capital markets cleaned up will be a step in that direction.

rshow55 - 09:41pm Jul 8, 2002 EST (#2918 of 3052)

Films: http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.eece621/42

lchic - 11:09pm Jul 8, 2002 EST (#2919 of 3052)

More Hitler humour
- politically correct incorrect USA

Reinhard Gehlen had been, up until the recent capitulation, Adolph Hitler's chief intelligence officer against the Soviet Union. His American captors had decked him out in one of their uniforms to deceive the Russians, who were hunting him as a war criminal. Now U.S. intelligence was going to deploy Gehlen and his network of spies against the Russians. The Cold War was on.
^{http://www.prouty.org/brussell/nazi-1.html
This is a story of how key nazis, even as the Wehrmacht was still on the offensive, anticipated military disaster and laid plans to transplant nazism, intact but disguised, in havens in the West. It is the story of how honorable men, and some not so honorable, were so blinded by the Red menace that they fell into lockstep with nazi designs. It is the story of the Odd Couple Plus One: the mob, the CIA and fanatical exiles, each with its own reason for gunning for .....}

lchic - 11:13pm Jul 8, 2002 EST (#2920 of 3052)

..... the German general took his entire apparatus, "unpurged and without interruption, into the service of the American superpower." There is no evidence that he ever renounced the Third Reich's postwar plan, advanced by his own family's publishing house, to colonize vast regions of Eastern Russia, create a huge famine for 40,000,000, and treat the remaining 50,000,000 "racially inferior Slavs as slaves. Allen Dulles may not have invited such a man to his club, but he did the next best thing: he funneled an aggregate of $200 million in CIA funds to the Gehlen Organization as it became known. Directing operations from a fortress-like nerve center in Bavaria, Gehlen reactivated his network inside ...

....... When the nazis occupied Europe, the banking exchanges between Britain and the U.S. on the one hand and Germany on the other carried on as usual. In Trading With the Enemy, Charles Higham documents the role of Standard Oil of New Jersey, owned by the Chase Manhattan Bank, and I.G. Farben's Sterling Products with the Bank for International Settlements. Standard Oil tankers plied the sea lanes with fuel for the nazi war machine. Prior to the war McCloy was legal counsel to Farben, the German chemical monopoly.

As an assistant secretary in the War Department during the war: (1) McCloy blocked the executions of nazi war criminals; (2) forged a pact with the Vichy Regime of pro-nazi Admiral Darlan; (3) displaced Japanese-Americans in California to internment camps; (4) refused to recommend the bombing of nazi concentration camps to spare the inmates on grounds "the cost would be out of proportion to any possible benefits;" and (5) refused Jewish refugees entry to the U.S.

When the curtain fell on the war, McCloy helped shield Klaus Barbie, the "butcher of Lyons," from the French. Barbie and other vicious dogs from Hitler's kennel were hidden out with the 370th Counter Intelligence Corps at Obergamergau. One of their keepers was Private Henry Kissinger, soon to enter Harvard as a McCloy protege.

In 1949 McCloy returned to Germany as American High Commissioner. He commuted the death sentences of a number of nazi war criminals, and gave early releases to others. One was Alfred Krupp, convicted of using slave labor in his armaments factories. Another was Hitler's financial genius, Dr. Hjalmar Schacht, who subsequently went on the payroll of Aristotle Onassis.

In 1952 McCloy left a Germany that was prepared to re-arm to return to his law practice. He became president of the Chase Manhattan Bank, director of a dozen blue chip corporations, and legal counsel to the "Seven Sisters" of American oil. During this period he acquired a client, the Nobel oil firm, whose interests in Czarist Russia had been managed by the father of George de Mohrenschildt, Lee and Marina Oswald's "best friend" in Dallas.

Busy as he was McCloy found time to supervise construction of the new Pentagon building. It was nicknamed “McCloy's Folly.”

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