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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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- 08:48am May 24, 2002 EST (#2377
Sailors Sprayed With Nerve Gas in Cold War Test, Pentagon
Says by THOM SHANKER with WILLIAM J. BROAD http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/24/politics/24NERV.html
"The Defense Department sprayed live nerve and
biological agents on ships and sailors during cold war-era
experiments to test the Navy's vulnerability to toxic warfare."
(And hid it from the human guinea pigs involved for more than 30
Agent Complaints Lead F.B.I. Director to Ask for Inquiry
by JAMES RISEN and DAVID JOHNSTON http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/24/national/24INQU.html
"The F.B.I. director is ordering an internal
inquiry into complaints that agents were held back from
investigating Zacarias Moussaoui in the days before Sept. 11."
America the Scofflaw By PAUL KRUGMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/24/opinion/24KRUG.html
In sheer economic terms, the steel tariff is not
that big a deal. But it demonstrates an unprecedented contempt for
Connecting Deadly Dots By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/24/opinion/24KRIS.html
search Enron - on these threads, and in the NYT
The "missile defense" boondoggle would be a fine place to ask key
questions - which would connect to a lot, because the web of
deceptions, less-than-half-truths, and evasions is so dense.
4/4/02 1:17pm ... MD1076 rshow55
- 09:24am May 24, 2002 EST (#2378
And the key questions involved in missile defense all connect to
simple questions in clear ways. The questions, for the
systems involved, under realistic conditions, are:
Can it see the target?
Can it hit the target?
Can it hurt the target?
These questions can be dealt with, in the open literature,
directly and fairly easily, according to the logic set out on this
thread and elsewhere, and somewhat reviewed by lchic and I last
There are a lot of "dots" that have been collected (and more can
be collected) that can be connected -- to find answers much safer
and better than some of the ones the Bush administration is pursuing
I've had a problem with title to my own knowledge - but
that is, I believe, going to be resolved.
There are questions that should be asked, and answered, in the
national interest, in the interest of decency, and in the practical
interest of people all over the world.
- 10:46am May 24, 2002 EST (#2379
U.S. and Russia Sign Nuclear Weapons Reduction Treaty By
MICHAEL WINES http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/24/international/24CND-RUSS.html
There's much to hope for, if we remember that we are human
beings, and deal with others, intelligently and carefully, on the
same basis. MD1001 rshow55
Lies and evasions are unstable - terribly unstable when they are
checked, or tested by events. We need to do better than that. We
The military-industrial complex, in my view, is a precious
national resource. But it should be deployed doing possible things
-- that can yeild security and other benefits for the nation, and
human culture in general.
Don't want to be too sentimental, but I believe that these poems
express some key points - well known, in practice, to some
deal-making businessmen and lawyers (active Republicans) of my
acquaintance. We need solutions that are true, and work for all
concerned. Based on ideas that can "propagate" through the culture -
rather than fizzle from too many "Chain Breakers."
We need solutions that are, in a technical sense I try to explain
in two poems "redemptive and detonative."
Secular Redemption http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/619
Chain Breakers http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/618
Mushy idealism? I think not. I think that a lot of good
redemptive and detonative solutions happen in the United States of
America, and all over the world, every day. They are the solutions,
I think, that work best.
We are living in a dangerous but hopeful time - - and things are
so complicated that anything but the truth, and balanced right
answers, are prohibitively expensive and dangerous. We should face
When the United States avoids the truth, I believe other nations
ought to ask questions. I believe that a great deal would happen, in
the service of the common interest, if they did.
- 11:38am May 24, 2002 EST (#2380
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