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- 05:40pm May 14, 2002 EST (#2213
5/14/02 5:06pm . . . "string-pulling" may be getting harder,
because hiding what is done is getting harder. Rhetoric is driven,
and actions may be as well, by a public interest in rationality and
The Start of an Effort to Integrate Moscow Fully Into the
West By PATRICK E. TYLER
"WASHINGTON, May 13 — The strategic arms
reductions that the United States and Russia announced today
represent radical cutbacks impossible to even ponder during the
cold war, despite the warhead storage issues that remain.
"But though the nuclear arms reductions are a
critical milestone in cleaning up the legacy of the cold war, the
treaty that President Bush and Vladimir V. Putin will sign in
Moscow marks the beginning of an even larger enterprise, a
long-term and difficult program of integrating Russia into the
Those difficulties are quite real, but partly American-made.
4/22/02 3:45pm ... MD1664 rshow55
In MD1910 manjumicha2001
4/30/02 5:35pm there were these kind lines about the work
lchic and I have been doing, setting out patterns of
discourse that can be used for communication between staffed
" On another and brighter subject, I have noticed
for some time that you are experimenting with a unique way of
public discourse, made possible by the web-hyperlinks. Such
methodology is extremely effective and powerful in tackling
complex issues which are often impossible to be properly discussed
due to various oratorical smoke screens and "purposful clouding"
of issues that often goes on in typical mass medium of public
discourse today (i.e. print or audio-visual media). I also
have noted, however,your methods do demand devoted attention of
the fellow participants and good faith attempt to follow your
If staffed organizations use these techniques - there can
be new progress in areas which have been intractable before.
4/22/02 4:02pm ... MD1666 rshow55
4/22/02 4:32pm asked a key question.
- 09:42pm May 14, 2002 EST (#2214
5/4/02 10:35am ... MD2000 rshow55
I have my faults, but I think I've been being straight and honest
on this board, at some personal risk, and with a lot of effort and a
lot of things that can be checked. How am I a hypocrite?
Chain Breakers http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee79f4e/618
- 10:55pm May 14, 2002 EST (#2215
I always thought Russia was 'the west' .. in fact Russia has been
'around' much longer than the USA ... standing on Russian shores and
looking EAST .. Russia can 'see' America (Alaska) which in fact was
actually Russia until quite recently --- and much of Alaskas
population speak Russian!
Russia had a 'western' elite prior to the revolution - which was
a groundswell of people looking for a 'new deal'. It may well be
that the post-revolution deal was an improvement upon Nineteenth
Russia also contributed to populating the USA, as did Europe.
And people who move most often have to fill in paperwork -
ensuring healthy-literate newcomers.
So fundamentally the USA has a healthy layer of
So where does it go off track?
ON CUBA - Bush had the nerve to put himself out to the screened
world demanding that Cuba have democratic elections --- hang-on
MisterBush Sir the world responds ... how can Bush call for
democracy when he himself comes from a situation where 'big business
backing' ensured him, where his Florida (brother/legal systems) also
ensured him, additional to which the USA doesn't have a
'standardised voting system'. It is also said that brother Jeb
disenfranchised selected 'Poor' from the electrol role.
The concepts of 'west' and 'democracy' can both have many shades
of meaning - and be perverted!
- 12:35am May 15, 2002 EST (#2216
lchic says:"So where does it go off track?" Answer: It hasn't. It
has defined the track and the rest of the world is envious and
ultimately falls short of the ideal, which is the US.
One might ask, "where did France go off track?" Their revolution
was sparked by the US revolution. Yet in the past 200 years France
has wandered all over lot with multiple Napoleans, multiple wars of
conquest, a rabid colonialism which ended in Algiers and drifts
about from Chirac to LePen. Poor Poor France. They've ants in their
- 03:09am May 15, 2002 EST (#2217
Two revolutions that predate the American Revolution. The first
looked for simplicity, the other efficiency - steam driven!
Revolutions in the political sense relate to the mass of people
becoming very aware that their interests are improperly
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