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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 11:51pm Nov 12, 2003 EST (# 17479 of 17480)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

? ... the party - over ... ? Just gone a quarter to three - my way ....

http://www.elyrics4u.com/o/one_for_my_baby_robbie_williams.htm

rshow55 - 03:54am Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17480 of 17480)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Perhaps a coincidence - surely a reminder of how vulnerable individuals are, in a much larger socio-technical system.

My computer got "invaded" yesterday afternoon - and it has taken me this long (with some distractions) to sort it out.

One of those distractions involved a letter. I feel like reposting the last post I was able to make 17422 before my machine became unusable yesterday, with a few additions:

I'm writing a letter, and trying to establish common ground. Some of the story of this thread has resemblances to the plot of My Fair Lady - and lyrics of songs in that great show. http://lyricsheaven.topcities.com/musicals_bestanden/My_Fair_Lady.htm

Eliza, a person of very low status

( Wouldn't it be loverly ) http://lyricsheaven.topcities.com/musicals_bestanden/My_Fair_Lady.htm#wouldn

Is taken in by a powerful man of enormously greater accomplishment and wealth- and much reason to be pleased with his status and position. Professor Henry Higgins.

( Just an ordinary man ) http://lyricsheaven.topcities.com/musicals_bestanden/My_Fair_Lady.htm#iman

Who does the lowly shop girl the enormous favor - at no cost - of teaching her to speak. And she's lamentably slow as a learner, too. Even so, Eliza has the temerity to have some feelings of hostility.

( Just you wait . . . ) http://lyricsheaven.topcities.com/musicals_bestanden/My_Fair_Lady.htm#just

When Higgins triumphs at the royal ball, where she performs flawlessly, he doesn't think about her feelings, and she feels slighted, which is surely unfair in the larger scheme of things . .

http://lyricsheaven.topcities.com/musicals_bestanden/My_Fair_Lady.htm#you

And in fact, this lowly girl has hostile feelings - and has concerns - serious concerns - about her "end game."

- - - -

It seems to me that there are analogies to behavior here.

I'm also trying to liken the thread to another low status institution - important to some - not worthy of notice to others. This thread, to some who have worked on it, bears some resemblance to "the oldest established, permanent floating, crap game in New York." http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/guysanddolls/theoldestestablished.htm

I'm even trying to see if I can establish a connection between the NYT elite and the Jets in West Side Story http://www.lyricsfind.com/lyrics/6240/69091.php

RIFF : When you're a Jet, . . . You're a Jet all the way . . . From your first cigarette . . . To your last dyin' day! . . . When you're a Jet, . . . Let them do what they can . . . You got brothers around . . . You're a family man!

The Jets are an elite - they are superior - but one can have some reservations about the way they treat others. And their patterns involve instabilities.

Maybe it's much too late, but I'm a slow learner - and I'm trying for some common ground. http://www.worldtrans.org/TP/TP1/TP1-17.HTML

I'm hoping for at least a chance to have a "win-win" solution that is stable, and works better than the one we're headed into. On the one hand, I'm happy that the thread is ending. It seems a shame that the thread is not being archived, at least for a while. And some other things seem sad, too. Opportunities are being missed.

Anyway, if it was possible for me to find proper ways to thank the NYT enough, and pay the NYT enough - I'd sure like to.

With a little for me. Not that I'm doing so badly now, at that.

My 26 October letter to Sulzberger includes this.

A tremendous amount of my effort on the Missile Defense board has been to solve TECHNICAL problems of negotiating stable outcomes to "games" and negotiations, including thos

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