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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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cantabb - 10:48am Nov 12, 2003 EST (# 17391 of 17395)

lchic - 09:25am Nov 12, 2003 EST (# 17385 of 17387)

Showalter has placed emphasis on the need to learn how to negotiate

He should know that you can NOT negotiate anything -- much less effectively or well -- with highly ambiguous statements, disjointed thoughts/logic and paranoia-driven speculations and irrationality.

Even when the language is 'the same' it isn't easy for people to come out with their NEEDS fulfilled

And even in ‘the same’ language, if one side is too fuzzy (in thinking, words and logic), extremely unfocused, has unsubstantiated facts and is given to irrationality, you can kiss any hope of negotiation good-bye.

lchic - 09:31am Nov 12, 2003 EST (# 17386 of 17387)

Blue, Cantabb, Jorian, ThePosterMonikers ... understand the same languge .... and WRCooper too

You mean “ThePosterMonikers” like lchic ?? With NO information given on herself that she demands of others [employers, interests, motivs] ?

The 4Muddleeters above - don't look at concepts

“Muddleeters” ? WHO can “muddle” anything that’s already muddled to the max !

Showalter's ideas sometimes need to be condensed, condensed, condensed. If they aren't understood the first time --- it's may be because there has to be transition from 'redundant' thinking to the acceptance of new ... the mind has to transgress, transform and transcend .... a shift in thought process has to ocurr - a renewed mind can then transmit!

You point out some major flaws, that go with a serious lack of substance focus, and logic.

I am glad you have taken the responsibility of explaining the impossible in your cryptic faux-Zen.

Should be great help to him and your cause (whatever that may be)!

lchic - 09:35am Nov 12, 2003 EST (# 17387 of 17387)

Showalter is a great teacher - his postings on this thread represent a commitment of thoughtful time and effor. I've learnt a lot!

Glad to know that you have “learnt a lot” from him.

I have too: how to put a needle to a bag of hot air, and consign his postings where they rightfully belong – and ASAP.

So too has Showalter by moving through his textual territory.

Meaning ??????

Triangulation demonstrates the quality of Showalter's content as against the muddleeter-Cantabbulator ones.

Fuzzier the word, the better you and rshow like it.

Once again, WHO can muddle what’s already muddled, and muddled a master of muddle ?

Showing him how 'muddled' his postings are -- NOT 'muddling' it further.

Despite a flood of posts and verbiage, I still have NO answer from him (or YOU) to my simple questions 8 weeks ago:

What does he thinks he has been working so hard on for the past 3+years, and what has he accomplished vis-a-vis the claims he has made ?

If he can NOT do it, he can NOT do it -- even with able assistance from "World Asset"! That's the legacy of this thread as it breathes its last ! Euthanasia, IMO.

Clearly, you have learnt a lot from the Guru of Garble, Master of Muddle !

cantabb - 11:00am Nov 12, 2003 EST (# 17392 of 17395)

rshow55 - 10:42am Nov 12, 2003 EST (# 17390 of 17391)

Thanks manjumicha20 ! I'm grateful for your email adress .

That's one more in your tent !

I posted this on the Guardian today: There have been about 1,330 postings on the NYT Missile Defense forum since I last posted here - and I'm grateful to have a this chance to post again. Many of those 1,330 posts are mine and Lchic's - the rest, perhaps 900, are being done by people entirely unconnected to The New York Times Company ( judging from what these posters themselves say. ) [emphasis added]

Your paranoia reigns supreme, fed and stoked by your loyal student-defender/interpreter/ADC/bouncer !

The forum will be closing down Friday - after more than 3 years and more than 28,000 posts. It will not be archived - but I have most of it on ...- and will get the rest up.

Good.

I posted this yesterday: There's nothing I can write,...... condense, in a way that isn't possible in the heat of what has too often been a battle.

You weren't even able to say (let alone 'condense') what you've been working on, on MD, and what fraction of what you have often claimed you have achieved. [My impression: Nothing & Nothing !]

I deeply appreciate these Guardian Talk threads, and think that they have influenced people in power, and close to power.

NYT's loss, Guardian's gain....

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