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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 03:29pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17150 of 17158)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

I've got some posts to catch up on. Including a supremely nihilistic and excellently clear ones from Jorian319 . I think that there are a relatively very few thing that people can learn that would permit them to solve problems much, much better.

Some of them the "already know" - except when they don't.

The payoffs from technically correct sociotechnical solutions are enormous - and every one I've look at it at least as hard a human organization problem as a strictly, starkly de-emotionalized technical problem.

http://www.mrshowalter.net/Kline_ExtFactors.htm

But yes, I think we could do much better - learning just a little more.

Before I go back and read - I do want to report an "unscientific survey" - just three sample points - no good controls. At the meeting I just attended, in three different conversations the logic got around to where I could say the following fairly naturally.

In the United States - the single most intellectually influential institution of any kind is The New York Times.

I meant an elitist context - and that was understood. The people I talked to seemed to find the statement likely.

That didn't mean they found the TIMES unimprovable.

Maybe I've got it wrong about how influential the TIMES is.

Back in a while.

Do I think we can do much better in negotiations - and live safer, more productive, more comfortable lives as a result.

Still do.

lchic - 03:32pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17151 of 17158)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

... back under wraps ....

cantabb - 03:32pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17152 of 17158)

jorian319 - 03:21pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17144 of 17147)

We have an expression though - "out to lunch".

Like Robert.

And always caught napping.

Or, tilting at the windmills in never-never land, shrouded in perpetual fog.

lchic - 03:35pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17153 of 17158)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

Did he say technology is close to take-off point ...

lchic - 03:36pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17154 of 17158)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

... MeantimesAwhile ...Cantabb tilts at windmills DonQuiote fashion

cantabb - 03:38pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17155 of 17158)

lchic - 03:27pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17148 of 17152)

..... is in the Madison phone book .....

SO ? Along with most of that town.

I didn't know that being listed in a telephone book (and for long) is THE certificate for sanity, coherence or anything else !

When I decide to start calling people in alphabetical order, as listed in a telephone book, I might do that, but Madison would have to wait, but not as long as Wisconsin.

lchic - 03:40pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17156 of 17158)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

Pusil Cantabb -- Pusil!

cantabb - 03:41pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17157 of 17158)

lchic - 03:36pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17154 of 17155)

... MeantimesAwhile ...Cantabb tilts at windmills DonQuiote fashion

THAT was for rshow. You're parroting like "fred 'irregardless' moore" !

"moore" is less !

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