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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 03:29pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (#
17150 of 17158) Can we do a better job of finding
truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have
done and worked for on this thread.
I've got some posts to catch up on. Including a supremely
nihilistic and excellently clear ones from Jorian319 .
I think that there are a relatively very few thing that people
can learn that would permit them to solve problems
much, much better.
Some of them the "already know" - except when they don't.
The payoffs from technically correct sociotechnical
solutions are enormous - and every one I've look at it at
least as hard a human organization problem as a strictly,
starkly de-emotionalized technical problem.
http://www.mrshowalter.net/Kline_ExtFactors.htm
But yes, I think we could do much better - learning
just a little more.
Before I go back and read - I do want to report an
"unscientific survey" - just three sample points - no good
controls. At the meeting I just attended, in three different
conversations the logic got around to where I could say the
following fairly naturally.
In the United States - the single most
intellectually influential institution of any kind is The
New York Times.
I meant an elitist context - and that was understood. The
people I talked to seemed to find the statement likely.
That didn't mean they found the TIMES unimprovable.
Maybe I've got it wrong about how influential the TIMES is.
Back in a while.
Do I think we can do much better in negotiations -
and live safer, more productive, more comfortable lives as a
result.
Still do.
lchic
- 03:32pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (#
17151 of 17158) ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has
to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong
foundation
... back under wraps ....
cantabb
- 03:32pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (#
17152 of 17158)
jorian319 - 03:21pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17144 of 17147)
We have an expression though - "out to
lunch".
Like Robert.
And always caught napping.
Or, tilting at the windmills in never-never land, shrouded
in perpetual fog.
lchic
- 03:35pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (#
17153 of 17158) ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has
to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong
foundation
Did he say technology is close to take-off point ...
lchic
- 03:36pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (#
17154 of 17158) ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has
to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong
foundation
... MeantimesAwhile ...Cantabb tilts at windmills DonQuiote
fashion
cantabb
- 03:38pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (#
17155 of 17158)
lchic - 03:27pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17148 of
17152)
..... is in the Madison phone book .....
SO ? Along with most of that town.
I didn't know that being listed in a telephone book (and
for long) is THE certificate for sanity, coherence or anything
else !
When I decide to start calling people in alphabetical
order, as listed in a telephone book, I might do that, but
Madison would have to wait, but not as long as Wisconsin.
lchic
- 03:40pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (#
17156 of 17158) ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has
to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong
foundation
Pusil Cantabb -- Pusil!
cantabb
- 03:41pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (#
17157 of 17158)
lchic - 03:36pm Nov 10, 2003 EST (# 17154 of 17155)
... MeantimesAwhile ...Cantabb tilts at
windmills DonQuiote fashion
THAT was for rshow. You're parroting like "fred
'irregardless' moore" !
"moore" is less !
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