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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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cantabb - 02:24pm Nov 7, 2003 EST (# 16766 of 16768)

rshow55 - 01:22pm Nov 7, 2003 EST (# 16751 of 16757)

Then why are you [bluestar] and Cantabb working so hard?

Because YOU have made serious charges against me and have continued to do so. I’ve asked you to provide the evidence, which you still have NOT !

Deconstructing your argument is NOT ‘hard work’.

If you and lchic are so interested in poster IDs, What’s lchic employment affiliation, and what’s her vested interest/motives ?

As I said, I ask you because BOTH of you, together and individually, have been obsessed with this, and have been harassing me and other posters. When I asked lchic, she disappeared: She has NOT answered the question YET. Uncomfortable ? But I intend to press for it.

rshow55 - 01:31pm Nov 7, 2003 EST (# 16753 of 16757)

Jorian - I could accept that determination, in writing, from an officer of the NYT - but not from an anonymous poster - even so amusing and intelligent an anonymous poster as you.

So, why harass the “anonymous posters” ? Particularly, when Lchic – so obsessed with my affiliation -- hasn’t told us about her OWN employment affiliation.

I need stability - in order to be able to make some decisions - and in order for others to do so.

What’s that got to do with “anonymous posters” ?

Not oscillations that make it impossible for administrative arrangements to be built and sustained. Now a very good reason for meeting face to face was - and remains - to provide a way to negotiate the maintenance of "possible fictions" - in ways that still permit people to work. That's why I suggested a face to face meeting. Telephone conversations are better than nothing - but not nearly as good.

Discuss all this with NYT. Totally irrelevant here !

rshow55 - 01:34pm Nov 7, 2003 EST (# 16754 of 16757)

As a point of information - when I talked over the phone with Apcar, he agreed verbally to shut down the thread - and archive it for a couple of weeks. I had intended that it happen within hours - but in the heat of the conversation - which didn't go on long enough to get things settled clearly - didn't say it.

That's an example of why stable end games take some talking - and some time - even with the best will in the world between the parties.

You’re NOW requesting something that had been already decided sometime ago [forum shut down]. Get real !

And usually, there are competitive as well as cooperative interests at play - and everybody is afraid. That's why diplomatic efforts often fall apart - even when treachery is not involved. ( Sometimes treachery is . )

Incoherent ! Your personal problems are NOT everybody else’s too.

rshow55 - 01:36pm Nov 7, 2003 EST (# 16756 of 16757)

If people want to fight - there are always reasons to be found. I've been trying to get a stable relationship with the NYT - on just about any terms - but one where I can actually work.

Looks like YOU're the one trying to "fight." NYT has given the signal: Forum Shut down. Which has NOTHING to do with your personal work [UNLESS you tought THAT was your full-time work !].

rshow55 - 01:37pm Nov 7, 2003 EST (# 16757 of 16757)

If I can't get it - then I have to fight.

Your nonsensical fascination with “fighting” as a pre-teen &teen ! I see no one stopping you.

You probasbly can't see the light !

rshow55 - 01:43pm Nov 7, 2003 EST (# 16761 of 16763)

Those patterns you call "really old windmills " need some re-examination.

They don’t. Somebody with lot of free time may want to keep tilting at them, which is a different question.

I promised to try to sort the problem out - and on this thread I've done my best to do so. I think I've made some headway, too. I'd love a situation where everybody involved could have their needs served - and could be proud of solutions that were useful

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