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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
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"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
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rshow55
- 04:48am Nov 7, 2003 EST (#
16728 of 16729) Can we do a better job of finding
truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have
done and worked for on this thread.
Working for closure – under circumstances where perfect
trust of the New York Times wasn’t be expected of me – but
where I was trying to accommodate every reasonable need of the
TIMES - I thought hard about the minimum agreement I
needed to serve my needs (and anxieties - which are real human
concerns, and often rational.)
In negotiations in good faith - text that is not set - but
is to be discussed - is often read over answering machines (
especially if, as often happens, people are listening. ) That
gives people time to think - and text can be discussed without
a permanent record. I read this text over Apcar's answering
machine yesterday - because I wanted to get phrasing right on
key issues ( marked below ) . I think it was obvious that that
all the wording was subject to modification.
This is text I read without ( as I remember) commenting on
it, except to explain, at the beginning, that this was a draft
for discussion:
- - - - -
Leonard M. Apcar Editor in Chief The New York Times on the
Web 500 7th Avenue New York, New York 10018
Dear Mr. Apcar:
I appreciated the chance to talk yesterday morning. I'm
writing this note to summarize things where it seems to me we
are in at least rough agreement. I hope that my understanding
matches yours, but hope much more that we can work out any
problems that remain - and reach a true and comfortable
meeting of the minds. I have the greatest respect for The New
York Times - and especially for The New York Times on the Web
, and want to do so. The tenor of our phone conversation made
me feel that we are close to agreement. I'm not claiming you
or your organization have agreed to anything here - but hope
we come to a clear agreement roughly along these lines soon.
Everything we talked about yesterday was consistent with
your email letter to me of 29 October, but I felt the need for
some additional discussion and clarification - perhaps because
of oversensitivity on my part, due to past experiences with
another large institution. I felt much more comfortable after
we talked yesterday than I had before.
I understand that The New York Times can't and shouldn't
give me any special status - and I appreciated the step you
described on 29 October of informing your reporting staff of
the existence of my postings. I also appreciated the thanks in
that note - and I want to thank you, your specific
organization, and the whole TIMES for a forum I've very much
appreciated. I'll write a more extensive note for that purpose
later.
At the same time, I've had concerns, perhaps irrational
dealing with the TIMES, but inescapable due to my background,
about being effectively blacklisted or blackballed through the
direct or indirect agency of The New York Times, in ways that
"the average reader of The New York Times" might consider
unfair if she knew about them, and considered them in detail.
Part of my problem is that I've long worked on problems that
have very high theoretical payoffs, and that seem technically
straightforward, too - but problems that are unstable under
current social usages. 15368 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.glPrby0rWmm.1951344@.f28e622/17081
( copy 15367 enclosed ) describes and links to some things I'd
like to have a reasonable chance of doing. In addition, I need
to be able to discuss my background with editors and
publishers, if I am to publish a second, co-authored edition
of Simulation and Approximation Theory by S. J. Kline, as
Steve Kline wanted me to do. I'd like to interact with
mathematicians, neuroscientists, teachers, and others. I'd
like to do many of the other normal things that people do. To
do any of these things, I need to give an account of what I've
said, done, and tried to do. I'll
rshow55
- 04:50am Nov 7, 2003 EST (#
16729 of 16729) Can we do a better job of finding
truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have
done and worked for on this thread.
( text for discussion, read over the phone to Apcar,
continued )
To do any of these things, I need to give an account of
what I've said, done, and tried to do. I'll have to, and want
to, refer to the Missile Defense board.
I'm not asking the NYT to endorse me in any way - surely in
no way beyond the respectful language you used about my board
work in your letter of Oct 29 - and in the respectful language
of our phone conversation. Nor am I asking the NYT to forgo
any of the powers it has as a newspaper - if I've done
something the NYT wishes to print a story about, or inquire
about for a journalistic purpose. Nor am I asking the TIMES to
forgo communicating anything that it feels a duty as a citizen
to communicate to anyone.
Here are issues where I DID want some discussion - so
that we could get a comfortable meeting of the
minds. The wording is from the draft I read from
But I DO ask that anything they tell others
about me - they also tell me
And whatever agreement we come to about
confidentiality or non-confidentiality can be shown to
people I interact with - with the expectation that I ask
these people to report back to me about whether their
communication conforms to it.
Examples - - - for purposes of clarification
- - might be discussed over the phone.
- - - -
I then had lunch. When I looked at this board again - I was
looking at extreme defamation from bluestar23
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