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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 02:42pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16638 of 16664)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

Showalter has had concern regarding


because it's an excuse used by government to


GWB has a NYT Headline

Bush Casts Iraq Effort in Terms of Long Cold War Struggle By DAVID STOUT

" ... Bush today likened the campaign to install a stable, representative government in Iraq with the long cold war struggle .... and said America must be committed to .... the Middle East "for decades to come."


What even if OIL is substituted ?

America can't put Palestine together again never mind the whole of the Middle East.

There's a feeling abroad that the USA is run by an Isreali lobby ....

The value of repressing the entire USA under 'cold war' conditions would include :

An excuse to direct the media

An excuse to push the military complex

An excuse to pull commissions from that money flow

An excuse to NOT seek out truth

An excuse to dampen discussion 'in the House of ...'

An excuse to play emperor

An excuse to hold the uncharged guys in Cuba for ever

An excuse to forbid democratic discussion within the USA

An excuse to move back into the shadowland of fear

In his latest book Micheal MOORE implies a huge number of Americans are IGNORANT wrt world affairs - Would a further ColdWar enlighten them?


Terrorists view the world in simplex terms .... should resources go to leading folk world over to understand that to maximise their deal in life they have to appreciate that .... the world is complex and fragile


Generalising : Americans demand explanation be reduced to a ten word 'take' --- and yet conversely can't market world peace effectively.




lchic - 02:48pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16639 of 16664)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

Cantabb asks who i am.

If he'd looked more carefully (see below) he'd note i'm a media consumer, invited on NYT ( by NYT in general terms )to post Opinion.

rshow55 - 02:48pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16640 of 16664)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Attribution of insanity is pretty serious - the fiction that you people aren't closely associated with the NYT is paper thin by now.

Bluestar asks:

Do you have any world peace and stability issues you want made more complicated and confused than ever before ?

Solutions have to be complicated enough to do what they have to do. This thread has gone on a long time.

lchic - 02:49pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16641 of 16664)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

'Start spreading the news .... I'm leaving today ... "

It's been a pleasure, a joy, and an education working on this board with it's cast of characters including Alex, Gisterme, Jorian, Margaret Drabble, Cantabb, Paul.J.F., Cooper, Broadsheets and media of the world, and 'The Poster' incarnate in multiple monikers ... but always 'The Poster'.

MD is in many ways a MINDSET .... tried to warm up the jello, melt away those little town views, and re-set some thinking along the way.

I made the point to Gisterme that once local regions were locked in wars. The Westphalia 1648 agreement gave respect to National Boundaries a paradigm shift in it's time. There is a need for Quality Standards to apply to those within boundaries ... giving assistance and necessary economic and political help to those repressed in non-functional systems.

Those who hold the strings of power have to consider more carefully how they can make the world a better, more caring, considerate, interconnected and safer place. How to be caringly-greedy rather than visciously so. There's a need to learn how best to move through knowledge to wisdom; how to make science and technology work in meaningful ways, knowing that the measure of the world and the values of the world lie with each individual who has value beyond the monetary.

I clicked in to the NYT through the advocacy of Phillip Adams, Radio National ABC Australia, whose bio lists NYT, and discovered the threads ... an interest in the memory with respect to the linguistic led me to the NYT science thread on the Brain ... through that board . and no doubt spotting the World Asset that I am, - as are we all, Robert Showalter asked me to partner him.

It has since been an honour and a privilege to work along-side him - one of America's finest and most gifted intellectuals - one of the greatest minds I've never met ... 'king of the hill - top of the heap'. The late Professor Steve Kline partnered Bob for twenty five years recognising and advocating the importance of his agenda - the ramifications of which will as further developed, accepted and integrated be a plus for humanity.

Showalter trust you have a copy of the thread - there's more to MD than merely MD - post me.

Showalter's 'gonna make a brand new start of it ... If he could make it here, he'll make it anywhere ... (with no appologies to Frankie) ... It's up to you - New York, New York !!

I did go on to try the Home Brand Tuna advocated by Dame Elizabeth Murdoch ... it was fine :)

Dawn RILEY Nov 4, 2003

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