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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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cantabb - 06:55am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16618 of 16633)

She, like her esteemmed leader, keeps confirming for NYT how over-due its decision was to shut this thread down. Now begging the question, why NOT immediately or before Nov 14 ?

It'd be naive to expect them to chage in these final moments, as these posts show :

lchic - 04:01am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16605 of 16615)

.... the current position is a "disservice to democracy".

He told the Guardian last night......

lchic - 04:09am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16606 of 16615)

Purple - rain | Poem

lchic - 04:10am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16607 of 16615)

Pink girl brush stroked

lchic - 04:19am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16608 of 16615)

How's PAULINE going? (fredMore) Pauline - FortyNiner - left her tin shed palace .....

lchic - 04:34am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16609 of 16615)

Australian David HICKS wrote a letter home to Dad, via the Red Cross David had lost weight ...........

lchic - 05:19am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16612 of 16615)

Pauline said .....

lchic - 05:21am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16614 of 16615)

Judges and lawyers from around the world yesterday condemned the US treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba as a violation of international law. .....

lchic - 05:34am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16615 of 16615)

Buck's commanding officer has placed him on the early morning shift.... Buck complains that he's present, and as ever, incorrect ... but where oh where can that Showalter be?

More of the same prattle !

"ultimately TRUTH outs" ! Yes, "ultimately" !

It's curtains on or before Nov 14 !

rshow55 - 07:03am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16619 of 16633)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Today would be fine. But there are interesting things on this thread. For example, a search of "Byrd".

Or this link, or a lot of others. 13606-7

I'm having to mostly concentrate on finishing a note. Still, I appreciate this thread. And the mass of effort involved in "the collected works of Cantabb" gives me pleasure - since it raises my status to have a person with such obvious editorial skills care so much.

Perspectives matter - and different people can feel differently. Think differently. There are many ways of looking at things. Edward Tufte cited many of them in a great paragraph

But if some things "depend on how you look at them" - some few and precious things focus to sharp clarity - and that can be useful.

cantabb - 07:12am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16620 of 16633)

rshow55 - 06:46am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16616 of 16618)

" but where oh where can that Showalter be? " lchic asks, and an hour or so later he appears. What took you so long ?

Partly looking at this: ...

You mean more irrelevancies ? That shouldn't be difficult for you at this stage.

This thread has been about a lot more than missile defense -....

True. "A lot more" has been about your personal problems, conspiracy theories, poster ID and affilations, tired old cliche, Ike-Casey, etc..... Nothing substantiated -- perhaps unsubstantiable !

Btw, what IS lchic's affiliation ? What's yours ? Like you, the Commandant has been demanding it from others !

rshow55 - 06:53am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16617 of 16618)

Technique matters. And the question is truth morally forcing is an important one - not yet faced clearly enough when technical issues of communication and decision making are complicated.

Find "truth" FIRST, and THEN worry about its "morally forcing" or enforcing nature !

Cart before the horse !

"Can [you and lchic] do a better job of finding truth?" I doubt it !

lchic - 07:18am Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16621 of 16633)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

Cantabbulator .... yawns from the echo chamber deep in the Grand Canyon ... admits he's naive .... and looks to cutting his marionette chains and hopping off the executor's desk Nov 14th ... hell he muses ... how low can a hack-man sink!

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