New York Times on the Web Forums Science

Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

Read Debates, a new Web-only feature culled from Readers' Opinions, published every Thursday.

cantabb - 10:32am Nov 3, 2003 EST (# 16346 of 16355)

rshow55 - 09:54am Nov 3, 2003 EST (# 16344 of 16345)

The text on this thread involves a lot of facts - who said what - when - those are facts.

X-said, Y-said, according to You-said. Mere assertions, NOT verifiable evidence.

For a long time, I wasn't given to think I was abusing posting privileges.

You still don't ! Despite numerous reminders.

For example - after posting a lot here - with a lot of help from lchic - the NYT appears from the record to have gone off and found Almarst - and after some conversation - I was given a "clear channel" to post this over a long time.

Just your imagination !

You think the "record" "appears" to show that NYT sought and found "almarst" (Putin or Putin stand-in, according to you) to do what ? Debate with you ? Resolve your problems with CIA, UW (Madison) and/or NYT and its reporters ? Does NYT do it as a matter of policy ? Or did that in your very "special" "exceptional" situation ?

Who do you think gave you a "clear channel" ? What are you suggesting by putting it in quotes ? Someone at NYT (or ?) told you that ?

But given my personal situation - I needed to talk to someone from the NYT face to face - let that be known many times - and it has been refused many times. That isn't something I appreciated.

Why do you think NYT can resolve your personal problems ? Because, supposedly, Casey told you to come through NYT ? And if so, where's evidence (not YOUR statements) for it ?

If the NYT, or bluestar's employer ( assuming they are different ) want to resolve this situation - why not act that way?

In your many posts for so long (setting aside abusing forum privileges, which continued nonetheless), you've NOT specifically described your situation even once, or the resolution you're seeking and from whom ?

So, your repeated charge of posters/people obstructing it (the unknown/unspecified) is ABSURD, to say the least !

If your purpose is injuring me - what do you think I feel morally obligated and practically obligated to do?

Your paranoia. Your (and lchic's) accusations that some posters are trying to "injure" you are just as absurd and groundless. Especially when no body knows what your personal problems specifically are -- other than your claimed "house arrest" (Absurd, given your 'free' travel to places, including Chicago, and your ability to continue to post -- even though a clear and continuing "abuse"), and a lack or denial of "permission" for you to "function" (no evidence provided).

With such an attitude, how do you and lchic expect to "do a better job of finding truth" ?

The "things Lchic and [you] have done and worked for on this thread" -- only provide proof of how badly two posters can abuse the forum privileges for how long -- FREELY, and without any reprisals from NYT (the object of their complaints).

rshow55 - 10:51am Nov 3, 2003 EST (# 16347 of 16355)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

300 posts - and three days - ago. http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.GEmabQw2UqY.949548@.f28e622/17761

includes some good links - and this:

As for Missile Defense

When things are complicated enough, truth is our only hope of finding our ways to decent solutions. That means we have to find ways to keep people from "filter(ing) out information that might undermine their views."

Challenge, questions, and invokation of the need for force: MD728 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.GEmabQw2UqY.949548@.f28e622/906 ... MD729 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.GEmabQw2UqY.949548@.f28e622/907 MD730 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.GEmabQw2UqY.949548@.f28e622/908 .

Counterchallenge: MD764 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.GEmabQw2UqY.949548@.f28e622/956 .

Comment and response: MD780 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.GEmabQw2UqY.949548@.f28e622/976 ... MD783-784 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.GEmabQw2UqY.949548@.f28e622/981 ...

MD84 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.GEmabQw2UqY.949548@.f28e622/99 .

Betraying Humanity By BOB HERBERT http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/28/opinion/28HERB.html

. . . ultimately the many tribes that inhabit this earth are going to have to figure out a way to forge some workable agreements on how we treat one another.

Some patterns cantabb and bluestar are showing stand in the way of that - and many, many "tribes" need to get clearer about that.

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md11000s/md11543.htm - some points long made on this thread bear repeating. There are plenty of jobs that are impossible. We need to find things that work.

bluestar23 - 11:38am Nov 3, 2003 EST (# 16348 of 16355)

"We need to find things that work."

STOP your stupid, inane, endless REPEATING of EVERYTHING......Just SHUT UP, Showalter!!!

(7 following messages)

New York Times on the Web Forums Science Missile Defense