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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

Read Debates, a new Web-only feature culled from Readers' Opinions, published every Thursday.


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lchic - 08:27pm Oct 27, 2003 EST (# 15753 of 15767)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

Fights

Poster Bluey way back was commenting on Showalter and teen fights ...

Showalter's concern re fights way predates his teens ... he told me a story of how once as an eight year old he'd played hookey, taken a bus on a thirty+ mile trip to a uni-library ... to follow through on how he could protect himself (in the child combat fight encounter) without harming others in the strategic=physical sense .. a do them no damage approach ... exhibiting his need for self-survival combined with the desire to reduce vulnerablity where other (little guys) were concerned.

Whoops ... that's telling tales out of school ... sorry Shols your Mum will know about it now ... as stories go that's the one I like best from the Showalter collection.

OUT to Town

bluestar23 - 09:03pm Oct 27, 2003 EST (# 15754 of 15767)

Here Roger Ailes of Fox describes phone call with Howell Raines of the New York Times...(Showalter take Note):

A: Well, they've become advocacy journalism. You either do it, or you don't. And they do it. [Former New York Times Editor Howell] Raines clearly was driving an agenda. I called Howell. I forget the story. It was their Afghanistan coverage. There was some stuff ... that wasn't true. We had guys on the ground, and so I called him up and said, "Howell, You're going to get an award for fiction here." He said, "I'm hanging up." I said, "You don't seem to have a sense of humor, Howell." He said, "I don't have one about journalism." So then, later, when Jayson Blair happened, I sent a note and just said, "Maybe it's time to develop a sense of humor about journalism."

cantabb - 09:44pm Oct 27, 2003 EST (# 15755 of 15767)

lchic - 08:18pm Oct 27, 2003 EST (# 15752 of 15754)

Cantabb : prototyping and modelling enable testing .... dependent upon the correct figures and info being plugged into the design of the model

Don't you think those who propose, design, test and sell (?) system know this and other such very, very basic thing ?

However, the public also knows how how far off the target some of the missile systems can be when used. Just check recent Iraq and Afghanistan stories.

cantabb - 09:51pm Oct 27, 2003 EST (# 15756 of 15767)

lchic - 08:27pm Oct 27, 2003 EST (# 15753 of 15755)

Fights : Poster Bluey way back was commenting on Showalter and teen fights ... Showalter's concern re fights way predates his teens ... he told me a story of how once as an eight year old he'd played hookey, taken a bus on a thirty+ mile trip to a uni-library ... to follow through on how he could protect himself (in the child combat fight encounter) without harming others in the strategic=physical sense .. a do them no damage approach ... exhibiting his need for self-survival combined with the desire to reduce vulnerablity where other (little guys) were concerned.

Whoops ... that's telling tales out of school ... sorry Shols your Mum will know about it now ... as stories go that's the one I like best from the Showalter collection.

May be fadcinating to you, but nothing unusual, is there ?

Relevance of such biographical info, provided by him here, or recounted here by you ? Doesn't referring to such incidents (teen or pre-teen) and seeing a discussion/debate through this reflect obsessive fascination ? May be not to you !

cantabb - 10:40pm Oct 27, 2003 EST (# 15757 of 15767)

A typo in the post above ["fascinating"].

lchic - 11:00pm Oct 27, 2003 EST (# 15758 of 15767)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

I know I was making a point about social conscience ... not sure regarding CantabbulatorOpinions.

Here's and interesting except from an off-shore broadsheet

    ... But Holden can't or won't say more - it's left to us to join up the dots. The hapless punter who used to look to the press to provide information instead finds it running stories about the stories it's not allowed to run. This is the journalism of Us and Them. There are the few in the know - and the rest of us, whom they taunt with teasing allusions to the revelations they're unable to reveal. ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1072493,00.html

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