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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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cantabb - 01:07pm Oct 26, 2003 EST (# 15682 of 15695)

rshow55 - 12:45pm Oct 26, 2003 EST (# 15679 of 15680)

[to bluestar23] - I did call. Talked to a secretary who was helpful - but said the big boss was in a meeting - and I was grateful to get his e-mail adress.

Now comes Step 2. Send an email.

The fact is, so much hinges on this thing for me that I've got a lot of emotions involved. That's a problem when people try to sort out anything that might involve mutual threat.

What "mutual threat" ? What 'threat' do you think faces NYT ? You keep sending these 'veiled' messages. We know YOU're caught up in lot of personal considerations and emotions -- valid or not.

Even though implicit but large threats are built into very many of the human interactions we live with and handle well. And the fact is, mutual threats - or at least a balance of plusses and minuses - is built into any stable interaction that is more than rape.

I see NO mutual "threats" here, "large" or small. Whether your own interersts are threatened in any anyway, it's up to you to consider.

Because of the way people behave when emotions are running - irrationally - there are many more negative sum games than they need to be, because these things aren't sorted out better. When emotions are high - people regress as logical beings. Not only me. So it is a strain to sort things out that look easier from a distance. And not only for me. Emotions run high, and not only mine. That's a problem in all sorts of situations. I've been sorting things out - with small steps - as fast as I've known how to and dared - and I know I haven't been wasting the important man's time - since I have to assume that he's not posting on this board.

The ONLY person whose emotions are and have been "running irrationally" and "high" are YOURS, and yours alone (along with lchic's, obviously).

The word "condescending" was used by Cantabb - and I'm sorry he feels that way about my responses - which are intended to be clear and respectful.

You portray as if posters' comments (or news reports etc) have to get your nod or your favored attention. Preposterous !

The NYT has a problem - and the whole world has a problem (as well as a huge advantage) because the NYT is now, and has been for a while - the intellectual source that is the most steadily infuential in the country. Nobody much condescends to the the TIMES - but there are awkwardnesses dealing with so much power.

We ALL have problems --INCLUDING you ! Particularly, you, in this case ! And, it's YOUR problem, more than any one else's that should matter to you. [btw, WHAT problem do you think NYT has in THIS case with you ?]

My respect for the TIMES, and the people who make it run, is enormous.

SO ? Do you have a problem with them or NOT ? If yes, let THEM know ! Forget the "enormous respect" which seems to alternate with how you think NYT has done you wrong and should be "ashamed" of it.

lchic - 02:31pm Oct 26, 2003 EST (# 15683 of 15695)
ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong foundation

What is it that holds nations together? (lchic)

    Borders. (Jorian)
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raises a point as to how 'borders' maintain equilibrium

the borders of Nation States

the borders of entities

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In a criss-cross global world how does the influence of that within a boundary cross the boundary while maintaining it

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jorian319 - 03:04pm Oct 26, 2003 EST (# 15684 of 15695)
The earth spin rate is slowing 2 msc/day as evidenced by the additon of a leap second every 500 days - James "I failed math" Nienhuis

a highly difficult task, one unlikely to remain undetected.....

Ah, but that's part of the beauty of it. So you lose one device and a few operatives. Big deal. You can buy a lot of expendable schmucks for the price of a missile system. As long as it's not one of your own nationals, what are the chances that there would be any repercussions?

Compare with trying to devlop and deploy a nuclear warhead/missile system undetected. You could do it overtly, if you don't mind being targeted and having to deal with the whole international politics kerfuffle, while the effort is in process. But if you're planning to "get away" with something, leaving an IR trail back to your own house is not an option.

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