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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
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cantabb
- 05:54pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (#
14913 of 14915)
lchic - 01:50pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (# 14885 of 14904)
Meaty subject ... TRUTH .... (Cantabb asked
for more explanation)
I asked because of your ‘tag-line’ and your various
references to 'truth' in your posts. Also wanted to know this
in light of what you think was ‘exposed’ and ‘understood’.
The meaning of my words on truth will vary
according to the outlook of any virtual reader - readers
bring themselves to the page.
Truth is in the eye of the beholder ?
The examples you cited refer to what people think is THE
truth (eye of the beholder stuff), and repeating the same
personal view, unsupported by the facts, over and over again
[“Loop Test”]. Fundamentals of Propaganda ! Just repeating a
flawed thing often enough doesn’t make it true. Doesn’t work
in an open society.
That truth needs to be morally forcing
implies that lies - or failure to accept findings that can
be implemented as improved process - are a dis-service to
mankind and may result in unnecessary deaths.
Opinions are not facts. “Truth” does NOT come out upon
request, as $$ from an ATM. No one person has the custody of
THE “truth’ !
You might want to discuss and above with your partner,
rshow55. In your next 'reflections'.
lchic - 02:02pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (# 14886 of 14904)
You may want to follow what “Showalter” does. I do think my
way – following some one is NOT a part of my way.
Cantabb -- why not meet up with Cooper -- as
did Showalter.
For WHAT ? Not interested, as I already told rshow55 when
he asked me to call him !
Showalter travelled from Madison to Chicago
to meet this guy ... and met him in the well lit public
venue of an Art Gallery Setting.
Cooper said 'he was from Chicago' ..... but
.... Mazza recently said that Showalter had caused Cooper to
have to travel to Chicago --- and these guys say they
communicate additional to the board.
Which raises the question was Cooper or
Mazza lying?
After this meeting Cooper said he would NOT
post on the MD board - again. He's back.
That’s Cooper for you: insists that he “ignores” me, but
seems bothered enough to ‘advise’ others to follow his
recommendation that did NOT work for him before, and does NOT
work for him now !
cantabb
- 06:00pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (#
14914 of 14915)
rshow55 - 02:16pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (# 14887 of
14904)
The relationship between me and Cooper, such
as it is, doesn't seem very important to me - but it
illustrates some of key problems - that are worth discussing
on this board - involving very different weights applied to
notions such as "the obligation to take the word of a
poster." ……..I'm surprised by Cooper's emotional response.
The pretense that "nobody willfuly misleads" on this threads
seems far-fetched in the extreme.
Please spare us the gory details. It’s already available on
the Forum and I’ve read quite a bit from him and you on it.
We've got things to sort out where The New
York Times has some thinking and changing to do.
That’s ridiculous. It’s YOU and you alone who has to do
“some thinking and changing.”
NOT others. On what basis ?
lchic - 02:23pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (# 14888 of 14904)
Didn’t rshow55 once put his own photograph on the Forum ?
Am I mistaken ?
lchic - 02:39pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (# 14893 of 14904)
K this forum is about 'truth' ... who has
'truth' ... who uses 'truth' and who puts a finger on the
RED button!
Showalter talks about 'truth' and working
'in clear' (with truth).
But “truth” on what ? It's also the 'truth' that he hasn’t
said what has he been working on. And his logic on any topic
seems based on his opinions, NOT facts.
A major reason - 'quality of decision
making'.
You can NOT make a decision unless you have ‘the facts’,
and you are capable of analyzing them rationally.
rshow55 - 02:42pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (# 14894 of
14904)
Statistics is about guesses - logic is about
things assumed to be true.
With a little added work - this thread would
be a fine corpus for showing how.
The “little added work” is: What do you think you’ve been
working on for the past 3 years ? You’ve not specified it.
rshow55 - 02:47pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (# 14895 of
14904)
Assumptions are a lot like guesses - - and
they have to be checked - usually in ways that are partly
statistical. …….. People who know enough general information
to enjoy a Star Trek movie really know a lot of the right
answers. But they've repressed them - and need to be clearer
- for reasons of safety.
Even by the “standards” you cite here, your work and your
approach both flunk miseralbly.
rshow55 - 03:19pm Oct 13, 2003 EST (# 14901 of
14904)
We need to sort them out - and even the
glorious New York Times may have to do some adjusting.
Yeah, NYT should ask you to focus and NOT keep abusing the
privilege.
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