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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 06:13pm Oct 9, 2003 EST (# 14753 of 14763)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Jorian319 - I'm honored when you post - I hadn't realized how broad a view you took of things until I went back and read things like this.

jorian319 - 01:27pm Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10537 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.zG2ab9pFMT1.1560579@.f28e622/12087

"Robert, in the aggregate, we are most concerned about ourselves - not the Iraqi people or some abstract class of "victims of oppression".

"With that in mind, I submit that our government is currently undertaking a metamophosis that will transform it from an insidious force eroding our rights to an aggressive monster conspicuously and unashamedly devouring those rights under "patriot act" type banners.

"I submit that this is a clear and present danger that - to Americans - dwarfs the dangers of Iraqi dictators, terrorism in general, nuclear/chemical/biological threat and asteroid impact combined. In fact, the immediate danger to our well being may be exceeded only by the danger of fast-food.

"The REALLY alarming thing about this threat is that it mirrors a process that has been seen repeatedly throughout history, and history has shown that it will proceed in a one-way march that can only be halted by violent revolution.

"Won't that be fun for the kids?

"It is unfortunate indeed that this war in Iraq will serve so well to accelerate the downfall of this once-great nation. I think that is what we get for staking exclusive claim to the "high road" and not stooping to covert - or overt - elimination of despots. Instead we elevate them to a high position of attention, try to rally the public and spend a hundred billion on an attack, and every other available dime to enable the revocation of our constitution in the name of Homeland Security."

I think postings like Jorian's above http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.zG2ab9pFMT1.1560579@.f28e622/12087 show a level of concern and lofty view worthy of the worlds greatest family newspaper - and a level of posting that is good for this forum. Though it - like practically all of Jorian319's other postings - has nothing to do with missile defense itself. But Jorian's postings do relate to issues of national welfare and security.

I'm honored to share this thread with you, Jorian. Though I don't think the best of your postings - though interesting and lofty - have matched some beautiful things from lchic including

Decision making/tree, expert systems 669 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.zG2ab9pFMT1.1560579@.f28e622/828

and Images of Culture set out in 670 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.zG2ab9pFMT1.1560579@.f28e622/830

cantabb - 06:16pm Oct 9, 2003 EST (# 14754 of 14763)

lchic - 03:47pm Oct 9, 2003 EST (# 14746 of 14746)

If gaslighting means "to confuse somebody [with facts & rationality], causing them to feel insane," then it seems to be working fine – from what we see. Well, wasn't such a a big deal achievement, considering the advanced tottering state of the affairs.

And, yet another batch of posts from a busy loyalist on some more unrelated things.

HEAR YE, HEAR YE !!! The news no longer the news: “It got understood and exposed”

Read more about it !

lchic - 06:29pm Oct 9, 2003 EST (# 14755 of 14763)
Truth outs in the end : truth has to be morally forcing : build on truth it's a stong foundation

There's a time statistic factor to this board ... this got a response within 3 minutes

<a href="/webin/WebX?14@13.zG2ab9pFMT1.1560579@.f28e622/16460">lchic 10/9/03 5:52pm</a>

a point of general interest to 'the common man' .. is a comparison of the USA media treatment of Putin and Bush ....

The KBG aspect of the former is noted, as is the fact that the CIA take breakfast daily with Bush ... whose crowd then go on to set-up their own info camps ... to reconstruct info that WILL take them into places like --- for example --- Iraq

So leaderships need KNOWLEDGE ... the YEAST of their business leading to the dough doe dough

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An interesting comparative question to ask of both Putin and Bush is which (any or both) of these leaders have the desire to improve 'the lot' of their entire population ... and how do each set out to do this ... and in the retro of history ... which will be seen to have made substantial improvements for the 'every-man' who elected them ... and the 'every-man' who couldn't vote - disenfranchised.

And where exactly does MD fit in both their calculations ... and why?

Trust someone's around and watching to POST right NOW! :)

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