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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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fredmoore - 11:04pm Aug 8, 2003 EST (# 13270 of 13273)

Human lasers?

This is interesting:

'Flash mob' stirs London August 9, 2003

A 10-minute outbreak of confusion and lunacy brought shoppers in the heart of London's biggest retail district to a standstill on Thursday night.

A crowd of more than 200, many of whom had met just 13 minutes before at nearby pubs, marched to a furniture store selling sofas just off Tottenham Court Road with strict instructions: call a friend on your mobile phone and praise the merchandise, but leave out the "0".

The event, organised by a 40-year-old Londoner, was Britain's first "flash mob" - an internet-inspired gathering of strangers who assemble to perform pointless acts.

Similar outbreaks of zany crowd behaviour have hit streets in various cities around the world in recent months as the phenomenon, which started in New York, crossed the United States to Japan and Europe.

Europe's first "flash mob" hit Rome last month when a group thronged at a bookshop and peppered staff with queries about non-existent books.

Last week, a few dozen people marched onto a busy Berlin street whipped out their mobile phones shouting "Yes, yes" in unison, stopping passersby in their tracks.

"My first reaction was I thought there was a fight. Then I thought it was a celebrity," shop manager Derrick Robinson said afterwards, mopping the perspiration from his brow while keeping an eye nervously locked on the store's entrance.

Reuters

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    This 40 year old Londoner may or may not realise that what he is doing is Cyber-pumping small human populations. Human lasers? The coherence generated by such events WILL have interesting consequences, either positive or negative. I hope this dude knows what he is doing! Coherent sources as we all know can be very powerful.

    It is also interesting to note that any laser needs a pump, a population to raise to a high energy state, a stimulated emission (thoughts culminating in action is good) and a mirror to amplify the process. The 'mirror' here is the media reporting on the events. To quench the process all you have to do is stop reporting on it!]

    Mind you in the future, for human civilisations to achieve their fullest potential the 'human laser' may be a useful tool if used wisely. The concept may have historical precedence. I am sure that the Ancient Egyptians were not unaware of its applicability in achieving large goals at least in an intrinsic sense.

    gisterme - 12:22am Aug 9, 2003 EST (# 13271 of 13273)

    "...Gisterme, I can't speak for almarst , but he might be jealous of you because you have such a beautiful, interesting, brilliant companion..."

    Huh???

    I lost my wife a year and a half ago. How would either you or almarst know if I have another companion now?

    Wow. I think you're over the waterfall, Robert.

    rshow55 - 12:38pm Aug 9, 2003 EST (# 13272 of 13273)
    Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

    Gisterme , a part of me believes you - and that part sympathizes with you.

    Bush Sees 'Good Progress' in Iraq but With Work to Do By ELISABETH BUMILLER http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/09/international/worldspecial/09PREX.html includes a wonderful image from the Associated Press. I think the body language is beautiful, and the stances beautiful. And the people interesting.

    "President Bush, joined by Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Vice President Dick Cheney and Gen. Richard B. Meyers, walked to a news conference at his Texas ranch Friday. He reported "good progress" in Iraq, but said more work needed to be done."

    13269 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.5EGTb39uxgr.2414729@.f28e622/14954 includes a phrase that I modify below, in light of assurances from Gisterme that I'm taking into account, but not sure I believe.

    Gisterme , I can't speak for almarst , but he might be thinking, as I do, that you're a "stand in" for GWB, and therefore projecting, and be feeling jealous of President Bush because Bush has such a beautiful, interesting, brilliant companion.

    As Menken said

    "It is hard to believe that a man is telling the truth when you know that you would lie if you were in his place."

    12988 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.5EGTb39uxgr.2414729@.f28e622/14664

    12989 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.5EGTb39uxgr.2414729@.f28e622/14665

    12990-12993 might interest some, too.

    Menken said a number of interesting things - though he was sometimes much more cynical than I usually am. I remember he said something like this:

    "It is the firm belief throughout Christendom that when a man and a woman go into a room, and close the door behind them, the man will emerge sadder, and the woman wiser. "

    H. L. Menken was sometimes too cynical -

    . Quotes From H. L. Mencken http://watchfuleye.com/mencken.html

    it was a "trademark" pose for him - though he could be a man of great good faith, too.

    Dr. Rice is staying on Bush's ranch during his vacation. Others, with whom he also works closely, are not.

    I know this, if I had the affection of the main authoress of "The National Security Strategy of the United States," http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/20/politics/20STEXT_FULL.html , and I were George W. Bush, I'd be proud. Maybe grateful, too.

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