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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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fredmoore - 06:12pm Jul 19, 2003 EST (# 13054 of 13060)

"But "connecting the dots" - and keeping at it - and rejecting things that are inconsistent - you can usually get to the bottom of things. With enough work - when it matters enough. "

The 17th president of the US ... Andrew Johnson ... argued for the Union of the States against stiff commercial 'tyrannos' who wanted to carve up the South. History has proven Johnson to have been correct and the connecting dot is the current situation where a powerful US has the option of carving up sovereign states across the Globe. FDR was another man of Union. Where are the Andrew Johnsons and FDRs for today ... to stand up for a system of United World States where all nations have a representation. As Lincoln said ....united we stand, divided we fall. I think that is a dot worth connecting in these uncertain and commercially driven times.

The next dot is KAEP ... a Kyoto Alternative Energy Treaty ... to bind Nation states in friendly cooperation by the thing all people want most of all ..... Low ENTROPY, more ENERGY, greater orderliness and creativity ... EMERGY!

Robert, you need to check KAEP to closure if you are serious about fulfilling your promise to Eisenhower and in turn his promise to FDR.

Trust me KAEP will work, because unlike the current UN it does not wrestle with sideshows but rather with the pulse of life on the planet. It will therefore never be trumped or lost in confusion as UN matters are in today's world of sub dots and pseudo dots.

rshow55 - 07:07pm Jul 19, 2003 EST (# 13055 of 13060)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

"As Lincoln said ....united we stand, divided we fall. I think that is a dot worth connecting in these uncertain and commercially driven times."

Maybe we could start with something small? Something that an old, commercially driven railroad lawyer like Lincoln might enjoy.

13039 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.0yz8bbZCrKC.100824@.f28e622/14716

13040 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.0yz8bbZCrKC.100824@.f28e622/14717

13041 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.0yz8bbZCrKC.100824@.f28e622/14718

Fredmoore, you made these comments in <a href="/webin/WebX?14@13.0yz8bbZCrKC.100824@.f28e622/14723">fredmoore 7/17/03 6:07pm</a> :

As for floating PV arrays, I am in awe at the unforgiving power of the Oceans as portrayed in the film "The Perfect Storm".

Weather happens where and when it happens. At the center of illumination - you're in "the doldrums". Earth imaging has taken pictures of the weather for 40 years. That's something that can be checked, a lot of ways. The floating PV arrays would be fine. But to transport the hydrogen - ships would have to deal with rougher seas - unless they submerged, and cruised below the waves.

"Is such a large scale human tenement of the Oceans a retrogradation?"

Just a small advance. Though necessary, and worth doing.

The big advance (which would solve our energy problems, and a lot else) would be to recognize that there are some optimal solutions to problems. We should face that - and face a correllated problem. That is that, to take care of problems so it works - you have to take care of human needs, as well. The technical is fairly easy - and can be defined first. The implementation has to be technically right - but fit human needs - on a stable basis, as well.

almarst2002 - 11:26pm Jul 19, 2003 EST (# 13056 of 13060)

MORE DOTS:

CHENEY ENERGY TASK FORCE DOCUMENTS FEATURE MAP OF IRAQI OILFIELDS - http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.b_PR.shtml

Bush had hands-on role revising disputed speech. Wrote notes in margins of State of Union drafts, gave writers pointers - http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33639

almarst2002 - 12:15am Jul 20, 2003 EST (# 13057 of 13060)

Iraq row over fate of seized scientists Red Cross urges US to clarify status of three dozen prisoners held in unknown conditions near Baghdad. - http://www.guardian.co.uk/Observer/international/story/0,6903,1001673,00.html

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