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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 12:57pm Jun 9, 2003 EST (# 12430 of 12441)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

When groups of people can "filter out" key pieces of information, the truth can be too weak, and results can be disastrous.

When things are complicated enough, truth is our only hope of finding our ways to decent solutions. That means we have to find ways to keep people from "filter(ing) out information that might undermine their views."

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/296

To sort out problems, including problems of peace (and the smaller related muddles of the missile defense boongoggle) people have to face the truth, tell the truth, and avoid misinformation. When right answers really count, they have to "connect the dots" ( MD1055 <a href="/webin/WebX?14@13.5nS3bwTdeHB.106342@.f28e622/1344">rshow55 4/4/02 7:54am</a>) so that patterns emerge -- and to check those patterns.

Here are some OpEd pieces by Paul Krugman quoted on the NYT Missile Defense thread:

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/303

We face problems where some leaders of organizations and nation states are going to have to face up to the costs and risks of current evasions.

Perhaps progress is happening. But some conflicts have to be faced. http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/313

Problems that have been "handled" with combinations of evasion, coercion, and muddle are becoming less and less avoidable. Sometimes I hope that this thread is moving, reasonably fast - toward a situation where a lot could be successfully adressed - if I was in fact clear of security limitations - and able to work. Bit by bit, that seems to be happening.

If the US "doesn't have the answers" - other countries have obvious problems, too.

almarst2002 - 01:06pm Jun 9, 2003 EST (# 12431 of 12441)

Captives Deny Qaeda Worked With Baghdad - http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/09/international/worldspecial/09INTE.html

almarst2002 - 01:16pm Jun 9, 2003 EST (# 12432 of 12441)

Focus on Iraq - http://www.fpif.org/iraq/index.html

almarst2002 - 01:20pm Jun 9, 2003 EST (# 12433 of 12441)

BUSH WATCH - http://www.bushwatch.com/

bush lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... lies... not lies...

almarst2002 - 01:25pm Jun 9, 2003 EST (# 12434 of 12441)

NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN OR FOX Mooooo's - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

almarst2002 - 01:28pm Jun 9, 2003 EST (# 12435 of 12441)

The official story on Iraq has never made sense. The connection that the Bush administration has tried to draw between Iraq and al-Qaida has always seemed contrived and artificial. In fact, it was hard to believe that smart people in the Bush administration would start a major war based on such flimsy evidence. The pieces just didn't fit. Something else had to be going on; something was missing.

In recent days, those missing pieces have finally begun to fall into place. As it turns out, this is not really about Iraq. It is not about weapons of mass destruction, or terrorism, or Saddam, or U.N. resolutions.

This war, should it come, is intended to mark the official emergence of the United States as a full-fledged global empire, seizing sole responsibility and authority as planetary policeman. It would be the culmination of a plan 10 years or more in the making, carried out by those who believe the United States must seize the opportunity for global domination

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm

lchic - 04:24pm Jun 9, 2003 EST (# 12436 of 12441)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

It all made sense to Alex --- before it began!

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