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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 07:00am May 28, 2003 EST (# 12114 of 12130)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Great posts!

I liked almarst's a lot better than I liked Fredmoore's - though Fredmoore's were fascinating, too. And, as usual, lchic came up with analysis and connections of superb quality - and humanity.

Whenever I hear someone use QM in an argument - I'm suspiscious - for good reasons - that someone's looking for an excuse for mysticism - or grotesque illogic. But what Fredmoore said about Russia being a muddle, injured society was true - only all societies are, to a dangerous extent.

To avoid sensory overload and bad judgement - for myself and others - I'm moving slowly. But I think that if we looked, now, honestly and with enough completeness to really see what was there - at how the Cold War happened, and how it was "won" and the victory squandered - we'd be a lot better off.

And more able to solve problems that the "3d world" has.

There's plenty of greed and fear in the world - almarst is surely right about that. And both are out of good control a lot of places - including in the US. But another problem is that people don't know how to do things that they want and need to do that take complex cooperation.

Eisenhower's "containment policies" - continuations of those of Truman - who he serves as commander of NATO - happened with plenty of analysis - but to an enormous extent they happened because he, and the country, had no idea how to talk effectively, safely, and to clean closures to the Russians about anything.

I was asked to work on that - and maybe didn't get so far - but thought about the matter anyway - and a good deal of the body of this thread, from Sep 2000 - involves efforts that lchic and I have made to facilitate clear communication with Russians and others very different from Americans.

rshow55 - 07:07am May 28, 2003 EST (# 12115 of 12130)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

I've thought that the ideas of

"connecting the dots;"

"disciplined beauty;"

and the idea that, when it matters enough, getting facts clear needs to be morally forcing

have been essential contribution-clarifications - that leaders of America and other nations could use effectively - that would have been useful to Eisenhower. I think Eisenhower would have thought so.

Lchic and I may have been "belaboring the obvious" working on these points. But we've worked to focus the obvious, too.

I think that if Eisenhower had had these points as focused as we've got them now - he could have done a lot better. And Soviet leaders could have done better, too.

Both American and Soviet leaders could have used the math work, as well. To use it now - some problems of status and organization are still tough - but maybe soluble. It would help if I could get my classification constraints finally dealt with decently.

lchic - 07:18am May 28, 2003 EST (# 12116 of 12130)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

" ... the whimper of a species which ran out of air, water, resources and food."

http://www.global-vision.org/un/position.html

lchic - 07:37am May 28, 2003 EST (# 12117 of 12130)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

OCEANS

http://ioc.unesco.org/iocweb/default.htm

Ocean Carbon http://ioc.unesco.org/iocweb/co2panel/

http://ioc.unesco.org/goos/

lchic - 07:54am May 28, 2003 EST (# 12118 of 12130)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Tehnically - stategic planning

http://www.oit.doe.gov/aboutoit/pdfs/strategicplan.pdf

lchic - 07:57am May 28, 2003 EST (# 12119 of 12130)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

above: Office of industrial technologies -- strategic plan

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