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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 09:13pm Apr 29, 2003 EST (# 11422 of 11500)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Mazza 11420 - is for "" STANDARDS "" .. and you don't need nukes to blast standards into people ... they are bedded in via education with self-evaluation.

lchic - 09:40pm Apr 29, 2003 EST (# 11423 of 11500)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

The women of Afghanistan aren't too impressed with the 'standards' that were metered out to them ... and the guys are still running around - unpunished.

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Women hold up half the sky ... yet seemingly in the middle east the women have to do it 'indoors' for where are they when the streets seem a men only zone for most of the time!

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Religion is their glass ceiling ... how to break through?

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What exactly is religion -- is it a zone of comfort or exploitation ... who takes comfort and why & who is exploited and by whom and for why?

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If religion is a glass ceiling is that opaque or diaphamous?

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If science moves on runs across paradigms to find new truths ... why isn't there, or is there, the same developments within religion .... if the environment is now so changed to what it was 2000, 1600 years ago, then why are the old dogmas barking - loudly?

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If religion is a lid or glass ceiling on thinking, then, why are so many content to live within its boxed framework?

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How much of the suppression of women and their rights is bottled canned and corked with a religious wrapper?

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Shouldn't aid put through to the middle east be targeted at women - including capital assistance.

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almarst2003 - 09:47pm Apr 29, 2003 EST (# 11424 of 11500)

Convincing Iraqis that US soldiers are there to help them will be all the more difficult after the shocking events in Falluja, west of Baghdad. Preventing already widespread popular opposition to the American military presence turning into concerted armed resistance will also be increasingly problematic unless the US army can explain why it was justified in opening fire on a crowd comprising a large number of children and teenagers, killing at least 13 and wounding 75. Local residents said that the children were protesting at the occupation of their school by the US soldiers and that the Americans started firing when a rock was thrown. The shooting reportedly went on for half an hour. People were hit by bullets, shrapnel and possibly by heavy machinegun rounds. Ambulance crews said they were also fired on. A US officer at the scene, Lieutenant Christopher Hart of the 82nd Airborne Division, was quoted as saying his troops were defending themselves against an attack by two gunmen on a motorcycle and had at first tried to disperse the demonstration with smoke bombs. He claimed some people in the crowd may also have had guns. But this does not begin to explain the severity and duration of the in cident. Lt Hart could not say for sure how many people his men had killed. His vagueness is not surprising. On the basis of the known facts at this point, the Americans appear to have acted with staggering recklessness, turning a residential area full of kids into a murderous free-fire zone. Whatever rules of engagement they supposedly observe clearly did not work. Whatever force was required to ensure their own safety, the degree of force actually used appears to have been massively disproportionate.

Even though the war is over, US soldiers continue to kill Iraqi civilians almost every day, for a variety of reasons. But Falluja's tragedy is of a different order of magnitude.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,946336,00.html

almarst2003 - 10:06pm Apr 29, 2003 EST (# 11425 of 11500)

Dr. Ahmed Ghanim al-Ali, director of Fallujah General Hospital, said there were 13 dead, including three boys no older than 10. He said his medical crews were shot at when they went to retrieve the injured, which he said numbered 75 people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53306-2003Apr29.html

almarst2003 - 10:10pm Apr 29, 2003 EST (# 11426 of 11500)

The incident in Falluja is the latest in a series of deadly clashes involving US troops and Iraqi protesters over the last weeks.

Earlier this month, US marines opened fire on angry demonstrators in the northern city of Mosul. Ten people are thought to have been killed in the incident.

US forces first denied responsibility for the killings, but later admitted they did shoot and kill a number of Iraqis during the protest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2984663.stm

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