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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 08:05am Apr 27, 2003 EST (# 11407 of 11500)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Recapping on the last post on NK

rshow55 - 02:49pm Apr 25, 2003 EST (# 11403 of 11411)

Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

The North Korean situation is terribly dangerous. If the N. Koreans cannot or do not communicate clearly with other nations, even with the Chinese (so that the Chinese know what to expect) - that is very disturbing.

If the safety of N. Korea is inconsistent with the safety of the United States and China, then North Korea loses, and ought to.

What can the N. Korean regime be thinking of that makes rational sense? Whatever it is - it should have been checked out, worked through, and focused in interaction with the Chinese. Or with foreign consultants.

If the N. Koreans want an outcome that can work for them - they have to do better than this. It is not in their interest to make arguments for pre-emption - which is just what they are now doing.

China Seeks to Put Positive Spin on Talks With North Korea By JOSEPH KAHN

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/25/international/asia/25CND-KOREA.html

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lchic comments:

didn't we establish way above that NK has to 'know' what it wants before it starts talks

that the game of talk and point scoring -- is seemingly more important to NK than the purpose of talk

lchic - 08:39pm Apr 27, 2003 EST (# 11408 of 11500)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

It's trench warfare in the SARS regions - so said a GU poster

"" The life time for this virus depends on both the temperature and the humidity.

The lower the temperature and the humidity, the longer it survives.

The warmer and wetter, it dies quicker.

The life time ranges from 2 hours to 24 hours.

Humidity in the aircraft is 50 %. ---- The membrane covering this virus is lipid [fat], therefore

contact with 70% alcohol will kill it within a few seconds. Since alcohol is flammable, therefore it is not recommended for household cleaning use. Bleach will do. ----

Other than transmission by droplets,

another highly likely route is oral-faecal.

In Amoy Gardens, they were able to isolate the virus from the feet of the cockroaches and from the faeces of caught rats!!!. ---- Therefore, care is necessary with toilet hygiene. Flush the toilet with the lid down, and clean it with bleach after flushing, NOT before, because bleach and chlorine will be deactivated once in contact with organic matters.

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BRING ON THE SUN!

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fredmoore - 11:02pm Apr 27, 2003 EST (# 11409 of 11500)

With the advent of the 3 Gorges Dam, an overwhelming amount of human effluent is not making its way to the China sea. Leachates from this backlog may well be breeding ALL kinds of nifty germs and sequestering them into downstream fresh water supplies.

There are a number of downsides to the 3 Gorges project. This is just one of them.

2 other emerging problems:

1. Loss of fertility due to upstream nutrient flows winding up at the base of the dam.

2. Regional Thermodynamic instabilities (climate change) due to shifts in entropy balances throughout the catchment areas and the offshore milieu.

China needs to look at wetland engineering technologies and manually shifting upstream mineral and effluent backlogs to downstream locations to help redress these three imbalances!

mazza9 - 12:07am Apr 28, 2003 EST (# 11410 of 11500)
"Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic Commentaries

I read somewhere that there is signficant arsenic poisoning in one area of China. It appears that the coal they are burning for electricity generation has a high arsenic concentration.

Isn't it amazing how these socialist paradises kill their citizens? There is never a concern for the environment. Maybe Al Gore could be sent there to lobby!!!

lchic - 02:10am Apr 28, 2003 EST (# 11411 of 11500)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Which lobby would Al stand in?

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