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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 03:01pm Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11085 of 11089) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Well, jorian319 - 01:20pm Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11078 , you're certainly right that lchic posts a lot. If you read her posts - they are all different (in some ways) - similar in others. Fascinating to me. Beautiful. But with repetitions, too.

Not by accident - for her, or for me. We're trying to show something important - something people need to be much clearer about to sort out things which have been going wrong with monotonous regularity.

I think what we're doing is important - but then, the most important things in life are, in some sense "cliches" - - in some sense "boring" - - including some basic matters of life and death - and some matters closely linked to some philosophical - religious - practical issues that have concerned people for as long as people have been around.

Just posted this on a Guardian thread titled Fractals . . http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.4a90f6e9/0 setting up for a very boring demonstration that I think would have fascinated Socrates, Plato, or Russell, or Bill Casey.

The NYT Missile Defense thread is in some ways "like" a fractal - in the higher dimensionality that human discourse occurs - but with some of the symmettry of a Sierpinski triangle

http://math.bu.edu/DYSYS/chaos-game/node5.html

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7b2bd/1705 ...

and I've been paying so much attention to the MD thread that I've neglected this one. I hope to do a demonstration of the fractal nature of discourse, on that thread, related to the notion of paradigm conflict that Dawn Riley and I have worked so hard on

Here are some references, to the Riley-Showalter paradigm thread, Paradigm Shift .... whose getting there? ... #116 - rshow55 Mar 2, 2002 05:34 pm http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/137

The notion of fractals is invoked explicity on these postings:

10330 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/11876

10332 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/11878

10473 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12022

10512 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12061

10554 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12104

10829 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12380

10804 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12355

10825 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12376

10912 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12463

11044 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12595

11052 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.jx1RalHT6yz.504977@.f28e622/12603

If we're to make peace, in ways that can be either just or stable - people need to know this "simple stuff" better.

jorian319 - 04:07pm Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11086 of 11089)

This whole thread is fairly fractal - look at one of your (collective) posts, and you seen 'em all.

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