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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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jorian319 - 09:55am Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11055 of 11063)

George W. Bush has “lost” the war in Iraq

Cnanneling Saddam again, alarmst? You and he seem to be the only ones who think so.

Maybe laying off Al-Guardian would be helpful...

rshow55 - 10:10am Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11056 of 11063) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

The world could easily end, and it seems to me to be almost a wonder it hasn't already (in 1962, and at some other times, as well - for instance, the time described in this sermon http://www.wisc.edu/rshowalt/sermon.html ).

It could easily end soon - - a lot of people are angry - none too rational - - and millions of them are Russian citizens.

There are plenty of things that the Bush administration is very wrong about. The administration is often careful - and might well be careful more often.

Sometimes there has to be a fight.

More often, ways have to be found to establish mutual sympathy, and shared space. Sometimes, most especially, when it is difficult.

almarst2003 - 10:57am Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11057 of 11063)

rshow55 - 07:06am Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11043 of 11056) - "If you support the idea that Saddam is a "hero" - or have much respect for people who do"

I don't think I ever gave a reason for such claim.

I always stated that Saddam is one of the worst things happend to Iraq. Primerely, as I see it, for his failor to understand the real motives of guaiding hand of US in Iran-Iraq war. Not to mention his brutal (but by no means worst in Arab/Muslim World) regime.

Several times I tried (apparently unsuccessfull) to point out to historical analogies such as Stalin during WWII. Take it as reminder, if forgotten.

Should we "thank" Hitler for making Stalin a HERO for the Soviet people?

commondata - 11:19am Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11058 of 11063)

Rshow to Almarst - The message that you're unhappy is well conveyed. But a degree of incoherence that can never work well is also being conveyed. If you support the idea that Saddam is a "hero" - or have much respect for people who do - don't you see what a weak and disreputable position that is?

Rshow, don't you see what a disreputable criticism that is? Almarst has certainly been pointing out that Saddam has been made a hero. That is an indisputable truth. Fractured alliances, a sidelined UN and a radicalised Middle East are also indisputable truths.

A small cabal of neoconservative Christian fundamentalists is in charge of the most powerful military force there ever was and are now rampaging through the world murdering Muslim women and children. Are you aware of the hatred that now regularly emanates from "The Land of the Free" from just about every source? Are you aware of how tightly the administration has its propoganda screwed down and how they're aided and abetted by every major network. Peter Arnett? What was all that about and what message does that send to every other serious commentator? His boss described him as īnauseatingī for saying that the war hadnīt gone exactly according to plan. Donīt you find that attitude nauseating and donīt you find that un-American attitude everywhere?

There are a couple of morons on this thread that have bought into everything Fox News spues out. And they regurgitate the same rubbish with the intense arrogance that is widely understood to be "hallmark US". We are seeing a "Nazification" of the US, thatīs no exaggeration, this is a dangerous time. We are seeing a US that cannot recognise anotherīs point of view. Thatīs something you should be fighting, rshow, rather than using than the same disreputable tactics as your political masters.

jorian319 - 11:30am Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11059 of 11063)

There are a couple of morons on this thread that have bought into everything Fox News spues out.

(that would be "spews") And there are couple who eagerly devour everything Al-Guardian prints. Of course, Herr Kommondata gets all HIS information first hand. </sarcasm>

commondata - 11:34am Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11060 of 11063)

Thankyou for demonstrating my point, jorian.

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