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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 07:52am Apr 4, 2003 EST (#
11046 of 11050)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
"rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for
on this thread.
People organize workable systems - in the presence of
tensions, complexities and conflicts of interest - all the
time. We need to begin to get our standards of international
arrangement up to the levels people meet, routinely, in many,
many other aspects of their socio-technical organizations.
The kinds of disorder one can see in a lot of
demonstrations, and in much of the media these days, is
stunningly ineffective - if coherence is needed. And coherence
always is. A coherent set of lies is not useful for practical
purposes.
People need to do better, and there is no solution unless
there come to be more effective limitations on the right to
lie.
The Great Divide by PAUL KRUGMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/29/opinion/29KRUG.html
is an interesting read today.
"It was a shocking event. With incredible
speed, our perception of the world and of ourselves changed.
It seemed that before we had lived in a kind of blind
innocence, with no sense of the real dangers that lurked.
Now we had experienced a rude awakening, which changed
everything.
"No, I'm not talking about Sept. 11; I'm
talking about the Enron scandal.
How many "great divides" are people going to have to cross?
How many are they going to get to cross with relative
safety, before some obvious sorting gets done?
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There's a quote from Benjamin Franklin:
" Experience keeps a dear school. A fool
will learn in no other."
Similar problems are occuring again and again and
again and again and again and again and again and again
with some of the symmettry of a Sierpinski triangle http://math.bu.edu/DYSYS/chaos-game/node5.html
There need to be some effective limits on the right
to lie.
Or some effective means to get things that matter
enough checked to closure.
The terrible truth is, things look pretty good to me.
Pretty hopeful. I hope I'm not backwards.
lchic
- 07:53am Apr 4, 2003 EST (#
11047 of 11050) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed
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WOW! Might apply to Saddam
http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.4a90fa01/26
rshow55
- 07:59am Apr 4, 2003 EST (#
11048 of 11050)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
"rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for
on this thread.
The Bush administration, intentionally or not - may be
getting the world much better organized than it has been. If
the world does not want the US to be "the world's policeman"
it has to organize itself to do some better policing in other
ways. The Treaty of Westphalia was a long time ago.
8830 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Yui3aW4i60e.0@.f28e622/10356
8832 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Yui3aW4i60e.0@.f28e622/10358
8833 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Yui3aW4i60e.0@.f28e622/10359
If people, all over the world, figure out what makes decent
sense to them - get right answers - not only in terms of their
immediate emotions, but in terms of facts and relations that
fit together, and negotiate well enough, often enough, a lot
could go very well.
I started this year with 7177 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Yui3aW4i60e.0@.f28e622/8700
:
" I think this is a year where some lessons
are going to have to be learned about stability and function
of international systems, in terms of basic requirements of
order , symmetry , and harmony - at the
levels that make sense - and learned clearly and explicitly
enough to produce systems that have these properties by
design, not by chance.
10124 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Yui3aW4i60e.0@.f28e622/11669
If the rest of the world wants better performance from the
United States and the Bush administration (and there is surely
room for improvement) it has to show decent, workable patterns
of order, symmettry, and fit to reasonable purposes itself.
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