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- 03:34pm May 3, 2002 EST (#1978
"".. The Israeli government declared on Thursday that
Palestinian leaders under interrogation had implicated
Yasir Arafat in financing terrorist attacks http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/03/international/middleeast/03MIDE.html
Palestinian officials have also denied any such role for the
Palestinian leader, and they have accused Israel of forging
documents or using information out of context.
With the Nazi book of torture as their handbook - one can be sure
that people under extreme duress would admit to 'anything'. see
- 03:46pm May 3, 2002 EST (#1979
5/3/02 3:24pm ... Some "triangulation" may be in order -- and
might even be happening
Saudis Desperate for Russian Help - (old link -from MD1647) http://www.stratfor.com/fib/topStory_view.php?ID=204195
4/22/02 6:50am ... MD1648 almarst-2001
- 03:48pm May 3, 2002 EST (#1980
Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid American White Man
Guardian Talk International (thread)
Interesting comments on Moore, his book, America(ns), their
- 03:51pm May 3, 2002 EST (#1981
Saudis Desperate for Russian Help - (old link -from MD1647)
Link no longer operative ...
- 03:59pm May 3, 2002 EST (#1982
5/3/02 3:34pm torture is a concern - a big one - and there are
other ways of manufacturing cases, as well.
THE CASE AGAINST THE NAZIS . . . Week in Review January
13, 2002 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/13WORD.html
.. contains this:
"One of the leading United States investigators at
Nuremberg, Gen. William J. Donovan — Wild Bill Donovan of the
O.S.S., the C.I.A.s precursor — collected and cataloged trial
evidence in 148 bound volumes of personal papers that were stored
after his death in 1959 at Cornell University.
At Cornell, I spent perhaps 1,000 hours looking at those
documents, and had just about any questions I asked about the Nazis
3/5/02 3:56pm . . MD1437 rshow55
THE UNITED STATES OF ENRON by Frank Rich http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/19/opinion/19RICH.html
The Nazis perfected, and our CIA picked up and used, patterns of
a "culture of lying" that are only now, because of the internet,
becoming systematically penetrable. We are now living in a world
where many old horrors can be eliminated - with openness, and
patterns that let real human beings accomodate complexity.
The United States should be on "the side of the angels"
here, but when it is not -- other powers should, and could, use the
new technical means, to permit truth.
I can personally testify to how much effective knowledge the US
(and the Russians, and the Israelis) actually have about torture,
and other means of human coercion. Everything the nazis knew, that
permitted them to get the kapos in the death camps to do what they
did, we know.
The cold war should be over, the things that Eisenhower warned
about should be faced, and we should do better in the future
than we've done in the past.
- 04:04pm May 3, 2002 EST (#1983
5/3/02 3:48pm . . . THANKS ! If I could get Moore, or one of his
people, with a videocamera along, to accompany me, I might be safer
making a visit or two that I'd very much like to make.
Perhaps I'm being overcautious, but I'd like to talk to somebody,
with a name and with some media connections - before doing things I
ought to have every right to do, in these United States.
(search Moore, this thread.)
- 04:07pm May 3, 2002 EST (#1984
Wonder if any of the great power leaders think like this :
- 04:11pm May 3, 2002 EST (#1985
On 'Moore' a thread poster said the book contained things that
had been 'under everyone's noses for a couple of years' .. could it
be that people who don't frequent the net - actively - need someone
like Moore to bring together the things they would like to see ....
isn't that what the NYT ought to be doing .. is the NYT missing
aspects of political life, does it know there's a GAP ?
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