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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
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- 10:22am Apr 30, 2002 EST (#1899
ONE VOICE - P E A C E ! http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Dojo/1299/onevoice.htm
- 11:16am Apr 30, 2002 EST (#1900
4/30/02 10:19am . . .
"The practical take-down is an engineering problem
- the decision political ... and that takes LEADERSHIP!"
The question of who leads, and what does leadership take, depends
on the task.
If the job is one of persuasion - the NYT is in a leadership
If the job involves techniques of persuasion - - the NYT
is in an almost unique position to exercise leadership -- because
its staff knows so much, and has so much experience, about how
persuasion works, and doesn't work.
We face problems of "connecting the dots" -- and getting
reasonable closure -- where things are going very wrong. The
problem, like many other problems, involves problems of technique,
and of power.
4/4/02 1:17pm . . . links to a very effective poster http://www.subvertise.org/details.php?code=453
which ought to make clear how important true information is
if we are to improve our chances for real peace in the real,
complicated, dirty world.
- 11:21am Apr 30, 2002 EST (#1901
4/4/02 1:20pm and MD1077 rshow55
4/4/02 1:21pm ... deal with major concerns, for me
personally, and for the world.
MD1077 includes this:
"Some of my background, which you also know, was
on this thread before March 2, and is now set out on a Guardian
thread .. Psychwarfare, Casablanca -- and terror
"I believe that I'm doing, as nearly as it
possibly can be done, exactly what Bill Casey would want me to do
now, for the good of the United States of America, and for the
safety and decency of the world."
Is there deception here? One would have to check.
cites a posting previously on this thread, that starts:
rshowalter - 07:22am Jun 26, 2001 EST (#6057 of 7079) Robert
"I say here that I knew Bill Casey a little.
"And of course, everything's deniable - I'm not
sure anybody has any records at all. Maybe I'm a literary figure
-- call me Ishmael.
"The story I like best about me, in this regard,
is that I'm just a guy who got interested in logic, and military
issues. A guy who got concerned about nuclear danger, and related
military balances, and tried to do something about it. Based on
what he knew - with no access to special information of any kind,
he made an effort to keep the world from blowing up, using the
best literary devices he could fashion, consistent with what he
knew or could guess.
"Let me go on with another story."
How much simpler my life would be, if I could proceed in
confidence that people believed "the story I like best" -- fictions
Cafosso showed audacious courage, described in At Fox News,
the Colonel Who Wasn't by JIM RUTENBERG http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/29/business/media/29HOAX.html
During that same time, I've been afraid to do anything outside
this thread. Afraid, perhaps, because I've misunderstood security
I didn't have credentials to show, and so I was paralyzed,
because I was carrying messages people didn't want to hear -- wanted
to resist. So I've been helpless - and had some object lessons
Cafosso carried messages people wanted to hear. No checking was
done. (That doesn't mean that Cafosso wasn't right about some
On issues that are central to our chances of survival - on issues
that involve huge expenditures -- how easy is it to check?
It isn't easy at all, especially because, currently, there are
conventions , and social patterns, that stand against
checking, most of the time, when somebody with power actually
To do better, we need to consider some conventions.
How do you check? is a big question - and not even the NYT
has fully satisfactory answers, so far as I can tell, in cases of
How do you persuade? is another big question. Some
answers, though they are hard answers, come from experience in jury
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