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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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- 04:22pm Apr 22, 2002 EST (#1669
rshowalter - 05:41pm Aug 23, 2001 EST (#8067) reads in
" (Dawn and I) were especially interested in
dialog with almarst after we read "Muddle in Moscow" http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=533129
..... ... ... When we read that story, we imagined that we
really were dealing with a powerful man who had taken time, with a
staff, to do some listening. Or perhaps we were in a "dry run"
that that powerful person might be interested in. And for the next
week, Dawn and I worked hard to tell almarst things we thought
President Putin might be able to use. We got a lot of perceptive
dialog back from almarst while we were doing it.
MD1127 rshowalter 3/17/01 5:06pm ... MD1128 rshowalter 3/17/01
MD1129 rshowalter 3/17/01 5:38pm ... MD1130 rshowalter
rshowalter - 05:42pm Aug 23, 2001 EST (#8068)
MD1131 rshowalter 3/17/01 6:02pm ... MD1132 rshowalter 3/17/01
Kline's Index of complexity -- V + P + L < C < V
times P times L ... a key reason why truth is critical for good
function in complex systems.
MD1133 rshowalter 3/17/01 6:13pm ... MD1134 rshowalter 3/17/01
MD1135 rshowalter 3/17/01 6:19pm ... MD1136 rshowalter
MD1138 ... MD1139 lunarchick 3/17/01 7:47pm
MD1140 lunarchick 3/17/01 7:52pm
The need for 3 views -- the need to account for positions that
have "some of the truth, but not all of it."
3/17/01 8:03pm ... MD1144 rshowalter 3/17/01 8:04pm
rshowalter 3/17/01 8:22pm
MD1150 rshowalter 3/17/01 9:57pm
The dialog went on, and we got onto some information, I felt it
was crucial for senior Russians to know, about economic efficiency:
MD1394 rshowalter 3/23/01 5:30pm ... MD1395 rshowalter 3/23/01
MD1396 rshowalter 3/23/01 5:38pm ... MD1397 rshowalter
MD1398 rshowalter 3/23/01 5:43pm ... MD1399
rshowalter 3/23/01 5:51pm
MD1400 rshowalter 3/23/01 5:53pm
and, for emphasis, ... MD 1401 rshowalter 3/23/01 5:56pm
It is important for Russians to talk more informatively and
reliably among themselves, and with others.
3/23/01 5:58pm ... MD1403 rshowalter 3/23/01 6:22pm
rshowalter 3/23/01 6:33pm
MD1405-8 rshowalter 3/23/01 6:37pm
A key point that should be common ground, for all the
disappointment and bitterness: MD1409 rshowalter 3/23/01 7:10pm
And I suggested an exercise in MD1410-1415 rshowalter 3/23/01
. . . . .
Russia's status, and Putin's status have gone up a good deal
since "Muddle in Moscow" http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=533129
. Sometimes I've imagined that some of the things that briefing
suggested were actually being incorporated.
If that turned out to be true, that could be helpful in some ways
. . . MD1229 rshow55
- 04:32pm Apr 22, 2002 EST (#1670
On Global Village.
The main quastions to ask are:
1. Are we engaged in a COMPETITION or COOPERATION
2. In what APSCTS do we compete, cooperate or both.
3. What are effects of the differences in Social, Economical and
Cultural aspects among the Nations.
In a Village, mostly its COOPERATION. Very little COMPETITION if
at all. The Village usually share the Culture and similar
Unless we are talking about a feudalistic village.
- 04:37pm Apr 22, 2002 EST (#1671
Key questions about specific missile defense systems can be
discussed without using any classified information at all.
Here are the key questions, for any specific system:
Can it see the target?
Can it hit the target?
Can it hurt the target?
The most specific information about these questions will be
classified, and rightly so.
But the most fundamental information cannot be classified -
because it is deeply embedded in the open literature, and based on
simple physics an engineering.
What can be done in the open literature? Would it take
miracles for the system, in terms of details that are open,
to see , hit , and hurt the target?
How many miracles, in terms of countermeasures that have to be
The answer is many miracles.
- 04:39pm Apr 22, 2002 EST (#1672
4/22/02 4:32pm , you're right. And that means that people have
to look, in detail, about how big the barriers to communication have
become -- and make them smaller.
If we did, we'd be more prosperous, and safer.
There would be less hate, and more willingness of people to take
care of each other. And the problems that motivate missile defense
could be adressed, in ways that would actually work.
- 04:43pm Apr 22, 2002 EST (#1673
Socio-technical systems always involve elements of cooperation
But for efficiency, if you count cases and time spent, there is
MUCH more cooperation than conflict. And conflicts are
It takes clear information - that people can and do understand.
And "trust" is easiest when it can be checked.
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