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lchic
- 06:06am Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1284
of 1317)
The current Israelis were also 'just arabs' .. weren't they?
'Israel has been the jewish homeland for thousands of years. '
Gisterme Not according to some current thread-information flows
which suggest they lived further east - Iraq/Canaan ... the Canaan
concept is mapped here .. note the concept of Canaan has been
subject to 'change'
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_maps_asia_canaan.htm
which
indicates one can't be too dogmatic re Israel/homeland.
'Mid
East Maps-Canaan before the Hebrews Canaan Circa 1200 BCE'
http://www.mideastweb.org/pal1200.htm
http://www.mideastweb.org/palmaps.htm
North America has been the RedIndian Homeland for thousands of
years/Australia was the homeland of Aboriginies for Thousands of
years/ -- etc etc. Raises the point why if in these examples there's
migration and integration - via aceptance of 'change', then, why the
failing to integrate with respect to the Israelites?
A major problem wrt the Middle East is the failure of media
folk to familiarise themselves with the real HISTORY of the Middle
East in the Twentieth Century. Didn't the Jews move into
Palestine, bully their way into the 1948 settlement when there was
empathy&embarresment, and then continue to grab and grab land in
all directions.
Arafat is a freedom fighter - leader, in that the jews moved in
and pushed the locals off their land and out of their homes
... as illustrated so vividly again this week. The goal of the Jews
is to push everybody out of the area and take over as much land as
possible! But this isn't acknowledged in the media!!!
Throw OIL, the SUEZ canal, Britain, France, America into the mix!
Why don't the Media Folk do their research - they're letting the
folks they interview run 'wild'!
http://www.palestinehistory.com/qtime.htm
http://www.palestine-net.com/history/
http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk/areastudies/index.shtml
http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/LIBRARY/MDLEAST5.21/MEINTRO.HTM
http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/mideast/photo/Palestine.html
http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/MiddleEast/MiddleEast.html
http://directory.google.com/Top/Regional/Middle_East/Iran/Society_and_Culture/History/
http://www.britannica.com/search?miid=1271652&query=Palestine,+history+of
http://www.britannica.com/frm_redir.jsp?query=palestine,+history+of&redir=http://www.arab.net/palestine/palestine_contents.html&isbol=0
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lchic
- 06:20am Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1285
of 1317)
America has two crisis running.
Afghanistan and Israel.
Flagging NY for simplicity - A parallel can be drawn between two
crisis ..
The Israeli-killing-spree which is indirectly funded via NY
lobby groups
The Afghan_poppy_drugs-killings of Americans is directly
funded by individual NY purchases of the product. NY
expenditure cuts two ways -
the one creating death abroad,
the other at home!
It's noted that Bush doesn't want to see/know about the
Poppies of Afghanistan ... which will most probably be silently
killing more Americans annually than 11/9.
lchic
- 06:26am Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1286
of 1317)
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/world/palest.htm
lchic
- 06:33am Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1287
of 1317)
If you are a Palestinian, you are either living in a
refugee camp, living under military occupation, living in a
country other than your own, or some combination of the above. A
Palestinian's daily existence is a struggle to move freely, to go
to school, to work, to survive.
The refugee is a person whose life has been collapsed. One day
he is a normal person in an orderly world, and the next day he is
left with the clothes on his back and with whatever he could
salvage from the man-made disaster that has suddenly engulfed his
life.
Over one million of Palestine's total 3.7 million refugees
continue to live in decrepit camps scattered throughout the Arab
world. In these holding stations, no state or government is
accountable for them.
Languishing in homelessness and abject poverty, there is an
entire generation of Palestinians who were born, live and die in
refugee camps. They spend their lives in this non-place and their
identities are defined by being from a time that no longer exists.
...
... This sorrow is compounded because we supply both the money
and weapons that fuel Israel's extended war against the
Palestinian people. On Monday, this becomes exceedingly painful
when I pay my taxes and then watch the American-made Apache
helicopters fire away at Palestinian "targets" — the homes,
schools, churches and mosques of Palestine.
When Palestinians are nameless, faceless "targets," it is
possible to ignore them or turn a blind eye to their suffering.
Acts of war against them can then be justified.
lchic
- 08:08am Apr 12, 2002 EST (#1288
of 1317)
CONFLICT OF INTEREST no way to run an army — or the
country
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/12/opinion/12KRUG.html
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