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- 10:33pm Apr 8, 2002 EST (#1197
From the Guardian Talk International
Sharon out of control.
Started by trelismor at 03:59am Apr 8, 2002 GMT
I guess when Mr Sharon said "the U.S. will do as I say". He
really meant it.
TheLoniusMonk - 04:04am Apr 8, 2002 GMT (#1 of 21)
Big international embarrassment for the US I guess. Thats what
happens when you have a hypocritical, unformulated, selfish,
ignorant set of foreign policies.
Dead Palestinians (thread)
alAndalus - 12:03am Apr 7, 2002 GMT
' .... two sites that have collected and are disseminating
casulty figures on Sabra and Shatilla II:
The Red Crescent:
Their homepage is at http://www.palestinercs.org/
Their homepage is at http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html
My apologies for the delay in posting these. I have been
unable to contain my grief about the endless tragedy of the
Palestinians to calmly reply to the Zionazi Fascist nutters who
appear to have no shame of parading their hate and ignorance on
these and other boards. I take heart that not even 285,000,000
Americans can prevail against the world. The American media can
ignore the global protest if they wish, but they will only in the
end incite only more acts of terror a la 9/11, and other acts of
For those Americans not afflicted with the virus of Full Spectrum
Sycophancy, a week-end of protest will be conducted in Washington on
4/19-22. Information about these events is posted below:
Just when we thought there couldn't possibly be any more reasons
to take part in the April 19-22, Washington DC protests against the
War* -- be it the war on terrorism in Afghanistan, the drug war in
Colombia, or the war on the poor being waged by the IMF and World
Bank -- the American Israeli Political Action Committee (AIPAC) gave
us another reason: they invited the war criminal Ariel Sharon to
town. Sharon, who was found by his own government to be indirectly
responsible for the massacre of as many as 2000 Palestinians in the
Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in 1982, ignited the current
Palestinian Intifada and then led a bloody suppression of the whole
Palestinian society. Since September 2000, more than 1000
Palestinians have been killed, over 25,000 have been injured, and
close to 600 homes have been demolished by the Sharon-led
government. AIPAC's annual conference brings together all the
main forces of reaction and war. This year's conference is being
billed as an event "to show support for the war on terrorism being
waged by the U.S. and Israel". In addition to Sharon, both Secretary
of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul
Wolfowitz have been invited to speak. To have so many war criminals
together at one event is too good of an opportunity to pass up.
Therefore, we would like to invite all those committed to justice to
join us April 19-22 in Washington, DC to protest another War, the
war against the Palestinian people, and demand that Sharon be
indicted for crimes against humanity. More information and details
about planned events will be posted on SUSTAIN's website at
Any refs to above 26,000 in the NYT - anyone?
Dead Israeli civilians see http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?50@@.eea41ae/0
- 10:34pm Apr 8, 2002 EST (#1198
The plan behind the Saudi plan - http://www.msnbc.com/news/729757.asp?0si=-
Very interesting and substantial.
How come someone like Friedman gets all attention while Michael
Moran remains overlooked?
- 10:53pm Apr 8, 2002 EST (#1199
Alex, the one wears a white collared shirt with tie,
whereas the other is open necked blue collar ... pardon the
.... it's a status conscious world - across the big pond!
- 10:59pm Apr 8, 2002 EST (#1200
Yet could anyone really have believed that Sharon,
who only a few years ago was still asserting that Israel had a
biblical right to “Judea and Samaria,” was going to trade the
occupied territories and a slice of Jerusalem for peace?
Friedman thought he might settle for it, and I think that's
reasonable -- though not "logical" in a simple-minded enough
For that matter, does anyone think that the
regimes of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria or Iran would be willing to
give up “the struggle with the Zionist entity,” ?
Friedman thought they might settle for that, and I think the
assumption is reasonable, and has some good evidence behind it --
though it is not "logical" in a simple-minded enough sense.
The conflict can only end when peace serves the
interests of the main actors.
Exactly right. A point, it seems to me, that Friedman keeps
So far, in their actions if not their words, both
sides have shown that simply isn’t true.
We need a resolution - - that "makes sense" in terms of
logic, a balance of forces, and emotions. I think Friedman (though I
sometimes disagree with him) has done worthwhile work, and think a
solution is possible soon.
Possible in large part because the "logics" of neverending
fighting have such painful consequences that people may have to
think , and accept complexity, for a change.
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