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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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- 12:57am Apr 4, 2002 EST (#1049
Everything is simple in war
but the simplest thing is
These difficulties accumulate
and produce a friction
can imagine exactly
who has not seen war.
Clausewitz, On War 1832
- 01:01am Apr 4, 2002 EST (#1050
The superior man is firm in the right way, and not
Confucius, Analects, 551-478 B.C.
- 01:54am Apr 4, 2002 EST (#1051
Tourists Rescued From Bethlehem In Armoured Convoy http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-1635114,00.html
He chose to continue to suffer rather than sacrifice his
Palestinians vow 'long resistance' http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1910000/1910086.stm
- 01:59am Apr 4, 2002 EST (#1052
Louis Mazza ---- > takes the diversionary yellow brick road to
nowhere land .... via a 1982 Sci Fi novel ... mazza9
4/3/02 11:51pm .. a latter day Toto sent to rescue his mate from
- 02:11am Apr 4, 2002 EST (#1053
Times of stability don't happen by accident, people have
worked hard through history, to provide decades of productive
peace via common culture and belief systems, together with political
strategies, that gave an even course.
4/3/02 11:01am + content impressive Showalter !
- 06:40am Apr 4, 2002 EST (#1054
4/3/02 11:58pm , speaks of mass murder by nuclear weapons,
suggesting an example where Israel makes " Damascus, Baghdad, and
Mecca glow for the next several millennia." and asks
" "Justifiable? You tell me."
Mazza's question was directed to almarst , who has been
discussing issues of justification and proportion, and working for a
safer world on this thread since March 4, 2001, but I feel like
At the level of language, stripped of notions of proportion and
context, anything can be justified. In the language of angry,
threatened people, practically any horror a person can think of has
been suggested. Militaries have justified, and continue to justify,
horrific and disproportionate responses, as a matter of course.
That's been true for more than 5,000 years, and ought to give
everyone pause who deals with people of military background, or with
political administrations that draw disproportionately from military
In language, any "crime" on one side can justify a
"response" on the other -- with no proportion at all. Mazza has been
a master of that sort of disproportionate discourse often enough on
this thread, and also a master of distraction, of defocusing.
4/3/02 3:40pm asks
"What might have to be added to the argument that
war should be obsolete, made 90 years ago, that would make that
argument effective? Perhaps not so much. We need to be better than
we are, when it counts, about facing facts. For technical reasons,
and perhaps moral reasons as well, it is getting easier for us to
"connect the same dots" so that, on issues that matter enough,
we're "reading off the same page" -- whether we like the facts or
not. We may also be getting closer to learning, really
understanding, really facing, basic facts about how easily and
brutally and bravely people fight - - how natural it is, under
too-common circumstrances, for people to fight to the death, and
kill effectively and coldly. If we understood this, we might
master the basic etiology of war -- and make wars both less likely
and less costly.
With weapons of mass destruction too-widely available, we've got
good reasons to work to do this -- because we face risks that stunts
like "missile defense" can't address MD14-15 rshow55
3/1/02 6:07pm ... MD84 rshow55
3/2/02 10:52am - but that more insight might be able to.
We have reason to pay attention, and to "connect some dots."
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